This topic is for the purpose of discussing #420: Zoizite's NES Metroid "1-item" in 11:51.08

hehe, not much to criticize here :P Interesting to note how you beat the currently best run (13:31) with over 1 min 30 sec. With only 1 item :P Wonder if anyone will ever be able to beat this ;)

This was very good. If there's an interest in multiple categories of Metroid timeattacks I don't see any reason not to publish it. Thinking of doing a regular timeattack for this game? Arc's time can obviously be improved some.

If I did a regular time attack, I wouldn't use the Up+A restart, since it really wouldn't be fair to, and if not compared to Arc's, it would add too many categories for one game. I have been thinking about it, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do next, though.

I haven't seen this video and don't know that game very much, only the Snes version, but why shouldn't Arc's video be replaced by this one? What's irregular in that timeattack?

I think an earlier version of Zelda didn't use the Up-A, and was obsoleted by one that did. But well, this seems to be a constant source of dispute if Up-A is better or not. I know what I think. Perhaps it is better left decided to the Powers That Be.

I haven't seen this video and don't know that game very much, only the Snes version, but why shouldn't Arc's video be replaced by this one? What's irregular in that timeattack?

Arc's route would be faster by at least 2 minutes using the restart, so this would be horridly inefficient if going purely for time.

Phil: This timeattack only collects one item. This makes it slower than Arc's at some points. But it also uses Up-A which makes it slightly faster on the whole.

Now I can rest in peace - beautiful!

I don't see what's wrong with using Up+A. If Arc can make a faster speed run by using Up+A for his route, then I don't why we should prevent him. In the mean time, this route which uses a feature mentioned in the instruction booklet is the fastest run available.

I think it has been covered that the up+A technique wasn't mentioned in the instruction booklet, but also it doesn't matter much because that's more of a Twin Galaxies rule for real time console runs. I wouldn't imagine that anyone has plans (including Arc) to take down the run using the reset because it's fine the way it is. Sure, someone could make a less quality run using the restart to beat the time posted, but Zoizite could have used it all over the place to improve the 100% run I'm sure. As for the run, do you think this would be faster using the restart sequence after leaving Kraid's? I think by the time you get to the top of the elevator, the game would have restarted, then you would have that small stretch to the first door to get you on top. I'm sure you thought you had used it enough already, but I'm just specualting.

I voted YES on this run because it rocked.

I think it has been covered that the up+A technique wasn't mentioned in the instruction booklet

It wasn't?

, but also it doesn't matter much because that's more of a Twin Galaxies rule for real time console runs.

I don't understand them at all. I've read some of their rules and they seem to be anti anything that isn't well known despite it being mentioned in the instructions, in game, and intentionally programmed in.

They go for the "spirit of the game" thing. I would guess that the programmers put the up+a in for debugging. But it is weird that a site that doesn't show the videos doesn't allow the technique and a site that does show the videos does.

I have nothing against using up+a in this movie (although I don't know if it was intended as a debugging key). However, this presents a question (I hate these): If someone submits a movie that "beats" Arc's movie - using the same route and items, but because of using up+a, what should we do? I wouldn't like that happening, but if it happened, should the movie be rejected, or accepted as a successor to Arc's movie? I wouldn't make it a new category, because it brings not really anything new.

Personally, I think it should be replaced.

I would guess that the programmers put the up+a in for debugging.

When entering UP + A you get the password for your curent lokation so I doubt that it's ment to be a debugging key.

If someone submits a movie that "beats" Arc's movie - using the same route and items, but because of using up+a, what should we do

Well, according to the rules I don't think it can be rejected. It wouldn't do anything that's wrong unless it looks much worse.

Incredible movie! These kinds of humanly-impossible runs are what this site is made for. I really like how you rapidly alternate between regular shots and missles when fighting Kraid, that's just wonderful. I do have a question, though... in the Multiviola room, you kill one of them but you shoot it slowly. Is this the only way to keep it from moving, or can you destroy it by frame-by-framing 8 shots into it before it hits you?

I love this movie. Frame-by-frame control was very impressive. Jumping looked very precise. Many enemies were killed for items, which is something I felt was missed from earlier versions. The only nagging doubt I have is whether another UP+A should be used exiting Kraid's lair. As far as the replace/coexist debate, I think both Arc's run and this run can coexist. Arc didn't exploit glitches or the UP+A, and this run did.

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [237] NES Metroid "low%" by Zoizite in 11:51.08