This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4197: KusogeMan's SNES Justice League Task Force in 09:08.70

encode will take a long time for this computer so i will not do it this time

Hi grassini ! I was watched your run and then I try myself (BizHawk 1.6.0) : http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/download/12844508068409744 Have something need say to you if you want improve more than - Your selections have little slow, you can improve 46 frames for it. Don't wait appear yellow text "task force", press button for it appear faster - Text "perfect" will take 91 frames. if you can take damage less than 91 frames then you can faster. In my example file, stage 1 - round 1, I have faster you 53 frames by take damage (just compare round 1 frames only) - If you want make luck manipulation, I found cores of lucky for you: * 4 frames before you can move when start round, press buttons can change luck (mean freeze time) * Movements or not move are difference with make actions by punchs or kicks. Work also while fighting p/s: I don't know this game, just learn from your run. My example isn't fully optimized

Using N?K's example. 772 rerecords for one fight and optimal inputs at start. Yours 1006 rerecords DONE. THAT'S IT! THIS IS PERFECT. Mate, back yourself make sure you have everything done correctly. Use those damn re-records, especially for fighters. No vote. Wasn't entertaining.

I have learn how to play this game, that's why I used many save/load times :D

you can improve 46 frames for it.

(by optimizing button presses on the title screen) Well, I didn't watch the run yet, but that's a turnoff for me. And here's a free advice; we should love frame advance.

thanks nk,I tried pressing buttons before the match and didn't get any result different,when do you press them?

for detect start frame character can move, try hold up button. In my example file it at frame 2882. At frame 2878 try put actions buttons you'll see enemy change actions

thanks nk,I tried pressing buttons before the match and didn't get any result different,when do you press them?

Are you sure you fully understand how luck manipulation works? You had a problem with this in your Bomberman run as well.

Well,given the fact NK found a way to manipulate luck in prebattle,i suppose there's no point in arguing but i have my doubts to how much faster it could be since enemies rarely use such fast moves(91f) while putting themselves in positions to get killed and i don't know how to exhaust the luck possible to cooperate.Is TASing only for people who can program bots to test thousand combinations?

I don't know the game, but anyway... You don't need to necessary know programming for TASing. Most of the TASes here are done without bots. TASers only test combinations that are logical and make mostly sense, but you have use a bit of out-of-the-box thinking. For luck manipulation you have to understand how the outcome changes, when you do something. Search for a RAM address, that shows RNG values. Depending on the game, it's more or less difficult. You should think about botting, when you have to test many combination thus the TASing process of a segment gets really boring, or you're just interested in programming a bot.

Precise luck manipulation may involve debugging the code (figuring out what code writes to what address and why). But sometimes simple TASing approach helps to find out the reason. But yeah, not knowing that reason at all may lead to huge sub-optimality.

I think the core grassini want say: not sure his way or my way have best speed It's ok, I have that feel too. Then just do the way you think it's best, try make all best you can do. But if you're not fix and improve more than your way (like my example), in near future, someone know this game will beat you not too hard. Easy calculator: if 1 round they can faster you 50 frames x 2 x 9 = around 15 seconds

Thanks for the help guys,i'm not familiar with RAM search so i guess i'll just try again later.

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