I'm back! This time around, I beat 44 waves of Joust, because that's when it stops getting harder. It has 90 waves in total, after which it simply loops to wave 1,and after 40-ish wave its waves start looping content-wise.
With 2 players, the only 2 things to care of are: killing the last enemy in a wave ASAP, and picking the eggs ASAP. RNG exists, and can mess things up a bit, but with 2 players it's still a breeze.
I tried to never use similar strats (except when the only strat is to stand around and KILL), and also to end input ASAP.
I like how it ended up. My favorite waves in this run are 25-30.
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Spikestuff wrote:
I'd say it's more fitting to complete Wave 45 (Egg Wave) rather than just staying there but that was your choice.
I did consider it, but
1) it would look 100% similar to all the previous bonus rounds, and
2) I won't be able to end input so early. There's actually my personal
3) seeing how eggs become enemies is a better post-movie situation than seeing all enemies normally spawn once again.
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feos wrote:
Spikestuff wrote:
I'd say it's more fitting to complete Wave 45 (Egg Wave) rather than just staying there but that was your choice.
I did consider it, but
1) it would look 100% similar to all the previous bonus rounds, and
2) I won't be able to end input so early. There's actually my personal
3) seeing how eggs become enemies is a better post-movie situation than seeing all enemies normally spawn once again.
I'm not sure what you two are talking about, level 45 is completed around 10:50.00 (and a surprising number of pterodactyls on level 45 are slain in the process). You may want to fast-forward a bit, though. :) The game over screen occurs around 11:40.00.
Yes vote - this *was* entertaining, and I really enjoyed how you took advantage of the free time you had. I am, of course, biased, but I'm thankful to see a Joust run that is likely to be accepted. Great work.
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Daemn I didn't even watch that far!
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For a repetitive arcade game, this was surprisingly entertaining. There's some good synchronized work with the two players! I agree that stages 25-30 are quite good. The game still drags on a little bit for me, too much to give this a Yes vote, but it's a pretty high Meh.
One thing, though... I didn't notice much of a difference between the later stages and some of the earlier ones. You said that the game stops getting more difficult at level 44, but it almost looks like the game stopped increasing difficulty much earlier than that. What's the difference in the later stages?
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Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.)
Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html)
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Right, I didn't mention it explicitly, but the sheet I linked explains that difficulty is increasing by changing the type of enemy to spawn. There are 4 of them: 3 ostriches and a ptero. The ostrich type changes throughout those 40 waves, increasing the amount of the strongest ones. Ptero only spawns if you take too long.
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It doesn't (assuming that chart's accurate). Looping begins at 61 (first loop without Hunters spawning), and then 61-65 are repeated with two different configurations of platforms. eg, 61-70 = 71-80 = 81-90 etc, but for enemy spawns, 61-65 = 66-70 = 71-75 etc
That said, the only difference between the enemy types are speed (and points), which is pretty negligible when they're killed immediately after spawning.
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The chart is for the original version, on the NES it's sightly different. Simply watching the above encode tells that wave 41 is when all weaker ostriches stop spawning (except for eggs), and it doesn't seem able to ever spawn more than 7 ostriches, even during the egg waves.
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So basically NES version is crippled (due to limit of how many enemies the system can handle at once?) and loops sooner?
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This is exactly how I see it. Back then (before heavy mapper abuse was invented gosh was it long ago) NES was that limited, and it was maximum it could give. 9 active objects including the players.
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Okay, that's good enough for me.
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[2728] NES Joust "2 players" by feos in 06:52.55
I'm guessing that even if you went to 90, there wouldn't be any sort of indicator that it's over.
PS: It'd be cool to see a Vs TAS where two TASers make their inputs at certain intervals.
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After wave 90 it goes to 1 again. And yes, there's no ending (AFAIK).
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Don't expect these tactics to work if you try to TAS the arcade. its' nearly impossible to get it to spawn one right under you. also there are levels that start with pterodactyls on the arcade version. they can trivially be defeated right off the bat though, even unassisted.
also in the arcade the shadowlords HAVE SPAWN INVINCIBILITY LIKE YOU DO so even if ones DOES come up near you it will just wait for you to move away before becoming active.
