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Posted: 12/27/2016 4:29 PM
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Ramzi
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If a human can do it, and AI eventually can. Maybe one day we'll see such gorgeous remakes made easily.
Posted: 12/27/2016 4:48 PM
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Ramzi wrote:
If a human can do it, and AI eventually can. Maybe one day we'll see such gorgeous remakes made easily.
Maybe it is possible to create a batter depixelizing algorithm, but that would still not be enought to remasterize a game. Remastering games need arbitrary choices that can't be automatized in any way. It needs a lot of personal choices and artistic sensibilities... that's what the "remastering" word itself means. That's why remastered games needs so much work in order to be made.
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Posted: 12/27/2016 4:54 PM
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And some day and AI will be able to make those personal artistic choices.
Posted: 12/27/2016 11:23 PM
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Patashu
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Ramzi wrote:
And some day and AI will be able to make those personal artistic choices.
We're decades to centuries away from being able to make an AI with a personal aesthetic taste (rather than just being able to data mine and make a neural network that creates an average image of something, for example), so don't hold your breath on it.
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Posted: 12/27/2016 11:35 PM
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Ramzi wrote:
And some day and AI will be able to make those personal artistic choices.
If you let a machine take that sort of choices in your place, then life stops having meaning. If for example, someday there would be created an AI than can do perfect TASes, then human TASing would lose much meaning. One of the good things abot TASing is that you can't never be absolutly certain that a run can't beaten. That's what makes you give it all to desperately search for a way to beat current records.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 6:03 PM
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Love this example
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Posted: 1/27/2017 10:07 PM
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Patashu wrote:
We're decades to centuries away from being able to make an AI with a personal aesthetic taste.
Not be so pessimistic at forecast. I remember a just a few years ago everyone said that we're decades to centuries away from being able to make an AI that able to defeat best human Go players. However Alphago devs has disagreed to wait so long. Link to video Nowadays it has 60-0 win streak to best human Go players. So may be we are already close enough to the Day when self-learning AI which are smarter than humans in many other fields will be created.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 10:18 PM
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Archanfel wrote:
So may be we are already close enough to the Day when self-learning AI which are smarter than humans in many other fields will be created.
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=445643#445643
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Posted: 1/27/2017 11:17 PM
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AlphaGO is super cool and a massive achievement, don't get me wrong. But it is still categorically different from an AI that can learn in a generic sense (rather than being tailor made for a certain game or simulation), especially one with emotions or biases.
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Posted: 1/27/2017 11:45 PM
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Patashu wrote:
But it is still categorically different from an AI that can learn in a generic sense.
Yeah it true, all modern AI are very highly specialized. However it does not mean that this situation will last forever. Sooner or later breakthrough will happen. It just a matter of time. I not too naive to say that it happen soon. But if you ask me will it happen before 2042? I say "yes" is much more likely than "still no".
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Posted: 1/28/2017 2:48 PM
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This project use a DNN to upscale 16x16 images by a 4x factor. So the output is 64x64: https://github.com/david-gpu/srez Similar experiments could be made with low resolution games. That being said, I'm not sure what could be used to train a model for these games. Maybe feeding random NES games picture as input and expecting for random SNES quality picture as output could lead to something interesting.
Posted: 1/28/2017 3:20 PM
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This is borderline AI, I think, as it uses neural networks to figure out what looks best for humans: Link to video It's using an upscaler caller nnedi3.
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