That trick, we call the Charge Swap glitch, with a specific variant we call Frozen Laser.
How to charge swap: First, do the charge glitch. With the glitch charge available, release it on the same frame you pause. Select a different weapon. Unpause. Enjoy.
The Frozen Laser is a result of starting from laser, then swapping to spikeball. Screws up the animations, so the laser doesn't ever finish.
There's also MurderBarrier, which is starting from bubble, and swapping to laser. It's awesome -- It erases anything it touches instantly. Except for the part where it also eats the stage end triggers.
What, you want the Charge Glitch? Fine. First, charge until you can release a charge shot. Then, lose player control, such as taking damage. Release B while not in control, and press it again the frame you regain it. You should release a charged shot while maintaining a charge.
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lapogne36 wrote:
Congrats Team 4, that was close. Is anyone gonna do a comparison encode like the DTC5's one ?
This game allows for different routes so I don't think that's possible.
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Congratulation to the winners, that was a very impressive run!
Just to give some feedback about the contest overall, though, I'd like to say that I (and many others, as far as I've seen) found this game to be really bad. Not only its graphics have a lot of ugly errors all the time, but also there is this thing that it is really easy to clip into anything. Clipping upwards is relatively easy, and clipping downwards happens even unintentionally very frequently. Some items seem to have no use at all, and the game mechanics make this game really annoying to TAS. Even after finding many interesting skips, which were motivating me to keep going with this run, I decided to drop because this game was just not fun to play and TAS. It didn't make sense to put effort on such a bad game.
I say that with all the respect to ThunderAxe, and this might be a very person opinion of mine, but I think the game choice here was really poor. I know it's hard to find good unlicensed games, but this one was bad to the point of making people giving up.
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BrunoVisnadi wrote:
Congratulation to the winners, that was a very impressive run!
Just to give some feedback about the contest overall, though, I'd like to say that I (and many others, as far as I've seen) found this game to be really bad. Not only its graphics have a lot of ugly errors all the time, but also there is this thing that it is really easy to clip into anything. Clipping upwards is relatively easy, and clipping downwards happens even unintentionally very frequently. Some items seem to have no use at all, and the game mechanics make this game really annoying to TAS. Even after finding many interesting skips, which were motivating me to keep going with this run, I decided to drop because this game was just not fun to play and TAS. It didn't make sense to put effort on such a bad game.
I say that with all the respect to ThunderAxe, and this might be a very person opinion of mine, but I think the game choice here was really poor. I know it's hard to find good unlicensed games, but this one was bad to the point of making people giving up.
Yep it sucked.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
I have to do an announcement: yesterday, for some reasons, Gmail didn't notified me the last mail received. I received an improvement submission from Team 11 on 21 minutes before the deadline. This will bring Team 11 up to #5 place and Team 5 down to #6 place. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Screenshot of the mail: http://imgur.com/XRLOeVRNote that Italy is 2 hours ahead of UTC timing.
Edit: the ranking actually remained unchanged.
We spotted a few errors so far:
Team 7 - Stage 3: 5th stage selected, not 8th
Team 7 - Stage 2: 6th stage selected, not 7th
Team 7 - Stage 6: 7th stage selected, not 6th
Team 7 - Stage 5: 8th stage selected, not 5th
Team 7 - Stage 7 Segment 5: 208 frames, not 108 frames (total is 6706)
Team 7 - Stage 9 Segment 0: 580 frames, not 590 frames (total is 1995)
Team 3 - Stage 5: 5th stage selected, not 8th.
Team 3 - Stage 3: 8th stage selected, not 5th.
Team 3 - Stage 3 Segment 1: 797 frames, not 397 frames (total is 6002)
Team 4 - Stage 9 Segment 1: 1360 frames, not 1921 frames (which puts the total to 1921 frames)
I do like the touch where the spreadsheet calculates total frames rather than someone manually putting in that time. Let it do the math, and it is also a helpful transposition error catcher as my script also reports total frames. I know to put more effort in finding errors if the totals don't match.
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Secret Team technically goes against the rules having a team of 5 not a team of 4. So... No.
Side Note: Corrected the errors FatRatKnight listed. I've stated (before his post, on irc) there may be mistakes so if there is just tell me.
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I've only watched Team 4 TAS, and I've realized then didn't always jump until they get of-screen after beating a boss. If I remember correctly, doing so would save a few frames.
In my experience, you can only clip through a ceiling if that ceiling is 16 or fewer pixels tall -- that's why it's trivial to travel through one block floors -- but anything more than that is impossible to do so going up.
Conveniently, the lower 16 pixels of a ceiling are generally cosmetic and not solid, which is what makes it possible to clip through many 32-pixel platforms, but those invisible ceilings in the boss rooms are taller than 32 pixels.
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It's trivial to clip through 1 or 2 tiles but clipping through 3 tiles requires very specific positioning.
It's impossible to clip through 4 tiles or more.
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It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
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functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
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Bisqwit wrote:
Well, we have a terrain script which tells us how many tiles we're dealing with. We did determine this:
* Floor tile: Does not act as a ceiling, and do not count as a tile we need to bypass on the way up
* Solid tile: It's a ceiling, as we all know
* Spike tile: Also counts as a ceiling
Wall jumps let us go through up to three tiles of ceiling. We can also use flame charge from the side and jump through slightly deeper ceilings, which requires a rarer layout.
One tile and two tiles tend to be trivial to bypass. Three tiles sometimes work, and sometimes doesn't. Generally a pain to find the magic sequence that works on the rather common three-tile ceilings.
I think the problem is not that some boss rooms have a ceiling in the way, it's that they don't have any walljump properties on the walls above a certain point.
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Anyway, I thought I should say something about the game. Like some people said previously, it's not great. The physics are really buggy and annoying and it's easy to get stuck, fall through the floor to your death or crash the game when playing it normally. There is no acceleration and you only move in whole pixels. Even though it's a Mega Man clone it has no boss order, all weapons do the same damage to all bosses.
It got better after realizing that the boss weapons could be charged up too. The game gained some depth at that point.
Still, I understand the rationale behind choosing it. It had no emulator support previously and was guaranteed to be a fair challenge to everyone. I think that was a good thing.
Not only that: before the contest start, I didn't know of any glitches.
My main reason for picking this game, was because of the huge amount of routes. Every weapon has its own quirks, and every level layout is very different, so the possibilities looked countless to me at first. And in fact, most submitted runs resulted very different (tough that was mainly because of the different glitches discovered by the teams). The fact that the weapons deal the same damage to every boss, makes the routes less oblivious, and thus makes it more challenging.
The second reason, was the extreme enemy density. Except for some segments of some levels, the enemies amount is such that forces you to come up with very clever manouvers in order to travel throught as fast as possible. I also tought that this would have made the TAS more entertaining to watch.
And about the crappyness of the physics and stuff... I really didn't care about this, and I personally still don't feel it like a problem. I see this game is horrible to play, but we're talking about TASing here, so I really don't understand what's the problem here. On the contrary, having a game that works in such an... unconventional way, makes it even more interesting to TAS, because you have to deal with something you're not used to.
And lastly, about the musics: I perfectly understand that it isn't appropriate to use GB/C sound engine for a GBA game, but that shouldn't be a problem for GB/C entusiasts like me. I really like the soundtrack.
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ThunderAxe31 wrote:
Not only that: before the contest start, I didn't know of any glitches.
My main reason for picking this game, was because of the huge amount of routes. Every weapon has its own quirks, and every level layout is very different, so the possibilities looked countless to me at first. And in fact, most submitted runs resulted very different (tough that was mainly because of the different glitches discovered by the teams). The fact that the weapons deal the same damage to every boss, makes the routes less oblivious, and thus makes it more challenging.
The second reason, was the extreme enemy density. Except for some segments of some levels, the enemies amount is such that forces you to come up with very clever manouvers in order to travel throught as fast as possible. I also tought that this would have made the TAS more entertaining to watch.
And about the crappyness of the physics and stuff... I really didn't care about this, and I personally still don't feel it like a problem. I see this game is horrible to play, but we're talking about TASing here, so I really don't understand what's the problem here. On the contrary, having a game that works in such an... unconventional way, makes it even more interesting to TAS, because you have to deal with something you're not used to.
And lastly, about the musics: I perfectly understand that it isn't appropriate to use GB/C sound engine for a GBA game, but that shouldn't be a problem for GB/C entusiasts like me. I really like the soundtrack.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
