Posted: 2/12/2019 3:44 PM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Post subject: Running Windows 95 in libTAS
Quote
Dimon12321
He/Him
Editor, Reviewer, Experienced player (595)
Joined: 4/5/2014
Posts: 1217
Location: Romania
Ok. Yet another thread with someone's wonderings. Recently I've read about a new Windows 95 emulator for all actual platforms that is growing at a moderate pace. [MOD EDIT: Link removed due to including copyrighted games. -Mothrayas] Watching libTAS development, I'm not gonna be surprised if keylie is overflown with requests of this kind. Not to get an answer "When...", but to let you know there is another horizon to reach. Good luck! P.S: I still look forward to seeing TAS features in PCem, but there seem to be no good news from there...
TASing is like making a film: only the best takes are shown in the final movie.
Posted: 2/12/2019 6:22 PM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
feos
Site Admin, Skilled player (1251)
Joined: 4/17/2010
Posts: 11475
Location: Lake Char­gogg­a­gogg­man­chaugg­a­gogg­chau­bun­a­gung­a­maugg
NES TAS of 2011
The developer wrote:
Bear in mind that this is written entirely in JavaScript
You'd be better off running Windows 95 in DOSBox, which is already fully tasable via libtas.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/8/2019 9:22 AM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
AlbertHamik
Joined: 12/17/2018
Posts: 9
There's actually a few issues regarding DOSBox ATM with regards to stability when running it with more process intensive software, so I would write that off for LibTAS when it comes to Windows 9x gaming. Thankfully, there's now PCem support in LibTAS as of April, so more process intensive x86 software from the 90s is looking to be TAS viable for once (plus all things 9x, and maybe some early NT stuff). Early days though and nothing official yet, but it at least takes the weight off keylie's shoulders for now.
Posted: 6/8/2019 9:25 AM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
feos
Site Admin, Skilled player (1251)
Joined: 4/17/2010
Posts: 11475
Location: Lake Char­gogg­a­gogg­man­chaugg­a­gogg­chau­bun­a­gung­a­maugg
NES TAS of 2011
Yeah it's been tested in libTAS+PCem and it works. In addition, recently we forked PCem to include libTAS-compatibility, one has to build a certain branch for that: https://github.com/TASVideos/pcem/tree/v15_235273a
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/8/2019 9:34 AM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
AlbertHamik
Joined: 12/17/2018
Posts: 9
Yeah I've been a bit busy but slowly trying to figure that all out. Been helping to figure out all info regarding optimal Windows 9x setups for minimum base RAM usage, and I can't make any firm statements yet but there are options out there. Thanks to the ingenuity of Windows 9x users from almost two decades ago, there's a ton of documentation on how small one can make their Windows 98/95 installations. I'm even toying around with Windows NT 3.51 right now, which is noted to be able to run certain Unreal Engine 1.0 titles in software rendering. Hopefully though, when it does come time for tasvideos.org moderators and judges to agree upon the standards for this, we have a clearer understanding of how easy and reasonable it'd be to rely upon one version of Windows over the others. In other words, getting the most optimal setup, both for cross-reference and the ease of setup and use.
Posted: 6/8/2019 9:46 AM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
feos
Site Admin, Skilled player (1251)
Joined: 4/17/2010
Posts: 11475
Location: Lake Char­gogg­a­gogg­man­chaugg­a­gogg­chau­bun­a­gung­a­maugg
NES TAS of 2011
AlbertHamik wrote:
Hopefully though, when it does come time for tasvideos.org moderators and judges to agree upon the standards for this
Please look at my forum rank :D It's up to me when judges agree on it. But it'd indeed be easier to start these talks officially when we already have some knowledge base to rely on. Which means, no matter when we start forming the policies, testing is the only thing that can advance this, and it can happen anytime. I just can't work on libTAS for now, so if you guys can do the testing and stick to this global goal (running emulators in libTAS and having those movies published on the site eventually), it'd help immensely and speed things up quite a bit.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/8/2019 7:51 PM
(Edited: 6/4/2022 5:09 PM)
Quote
AlbertHamik
Joined: 12/17/2018
Posts: 9
Oh sorry yeh, all the same it's a consensus of you guys on what eventually goes down. And I agree, that's been my goal too since LibTAS became a thing. Glad we're all on the same page with this.