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Posted: 4/12/2005 3:45 AM
Post subject: Kuru Kuru Kururin
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OmnipotentEntity
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I thought this one would be a good one. Plus it seems easy for a first timer to pick up and run with. First Three Levels I used the (J) version.
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Posted: 4/12/2005 4:01 AM
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Hmm, well I don't think those can be done faster (EDIT: no, actually I was wrong, they definitely can), but why are you doing the training levels? You can just say you don't need to train to skip them (and all the tutorial dialog) and start on the first real level.
Posted: 4/12/2005 2:26 PM
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Because I'm not actually planning on doing it. I just wanted to get the ball rolling.
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Posted: 4/12/2005 5:38 PM
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This game is so awesome. It's very silly (you control a spinning stick and must not touch anything while trying to reach the end), fun and challenging. Everyone should play this game. Oh, and a timeattack would be nice, sure.
Posted: 4/12/2005 9:21 PM
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I prefer its sequel, Kururin Paradise, but I do agree that both games are worth speedrunning. I have a collection of my videos at www.mzrg.com/KPlong.zip (all Visual Boy Advance movies, although you may have to use an older version) from when I was really into it. If anyone ever wants to run it, they should use these as an idea of what KP is like. If you want the rom you can go to www.google.com Bisqwit: Replaced an URL with another URL in concordance with the forum rules.
Posted: 4/13/2005 2:30 AM
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Here's a question: Should a time attack of this game minimize real time, or in-game time? The two will be quite different because of the time the game artificially adds when you hit something.
Posted: 4/13/2005 2:46 AM
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I never played it, but i think it makes more sense to play in-game time units.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 5:31 PM
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Getting hit will allow you to move narrow corridors or speed up your rotating a bit, si i vote for emulator time.
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Posted: 4/14/2005 11:19 PM
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Don't you get a medal or somesuch for completing a level without getting hit? It's been years since I've played the game (it was my very first GBA game, along with Castlevania), but I recall some kind of status symbol for beating a level perfectly. There's also 'bonuses' around levels, such as paint for your 'helicopter'. If that's so, then I'd like to see a 100% run myself... getting all pickups, and never taking damage. I just think it'd be more entertaining to see it played perfectly, than just brute-forcing your way through passages.
Posted: 4/15/2005 3:01 AM
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That and taking any hits outside of normal safe zones (beginning, midway points) also adds time to your timer. Also, another big thing to note, is that even though the displayed timer doesn't start till you leave the beginning safe zone, All the in level things continue to work as normal. For some levels, to get a perfect score with a great record, you may have to wait for a few rotations before leaving the safe zone, so that your timing when you get to those certain areas to get through them, is correct. Also, holding A or B allows you to go slightly faster, but to go at the fastest speed, hold both A and B. Also, another point I would like to make, is there is an european version of the first game, in english.
Posted: 4/15/2005 3:34 AM
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I think a run that takes damage would be more entertaining and skillful than one that waits around to get through, actually. You can only survive 2 hits, so using brute force to go faster is actually quite difficult and not really possible when playing normally (due to the unpredictable reaction to collisions).
Posted: 4/15/2005 3:48 AM
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I can think of a *few* places where getting hit *may* save the 3 seconds the game tacks on. But I'm in the lowest in game time camp. And I didn't know that about the a+b. Makes sense though.
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Posted: 4/15/2005 5:12 AM
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Yeah, getting hit will barely ever save in-game time, but I'd rather see something actually go faster than get the game to say it's faster while really being slower. Anyway, here's a quick try at the first 5 levels, they could be more perfect but it's just for the sake of comparison: http://nvdata.pilif.ch/kuru-nit.zip (the E and J ROMs have identical timing so they should both work to play it).
Posted: 4/15/2005 6:03 AM
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Getting hit looks ugly, makes you not get a star for the level, and doesn't save any in-game time (most probably). So I say it should NOT get hit anywhere. Unless there's some HUGE MAJOR shortcut. I don't think it's good to sacrifice coolness for a very small amount of time.
Posted: 4/15/2005 9:21 AM
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Well, watch both versions and see which one you liked watching better. I'm estimating that overall, not getting hit will make the levels take 25% longer than getting hit, or more if there are any major shortcuts in later levels (which is possible).
Posted: 4/15/2005 6:10 PM
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Okay, I watched them both, and I think they are both awesome. How about just having 2 different movies?
Posted: 4/17/2005 7:22 PM
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Myself, I think that you should try for real time in a total speedrun - don't get hit unless you're sure it saves time, pick up everything (100%) - but you can also, if you want, make a run with the best possible game times for each level. Same with Kururin Paradise (by the way, do the old video types still work on VBA?).
Posted: 4/21/2005 11:16 PM
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nitsuja wrote:
Anyway, here's a quick try at the first 5 levels, they could be more perfect but it's just for the sake of comparison: http://nvdata.pilif.ch/kuru-nit.zip (the E and J ROMs have identical timing so they should both work to play it).
Just curious, could you post the times? I've been playing this game recently & wanted to know if my times are fast or can they be improved.
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Posted: 5/2/2005 9:49 AM
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Not sure how compareable these will be, but... When aiming for in-game time: 6"88, 12"13, 13"81, 5"73, 11"41 When aiming for real time: 6"03 +3, 10"95 +6, 11"91 +12, 5"20 +6, 9"23 +12 (I'm not working on this for now, though)
Posted: 5/22/2005 4:13 AM
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Check this out. (Or not.) http://kurukuru.free.fr/ I have some other videos also.
Posted: 5/31/2005 12:15 PM
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Hey guys. When I first heard that there's VBA with re-recording, speedrunning Kuru Kuru Kururin was the first thing in my mind. I'm not really a speedrunner but I made a little test run...It seems I got too much spare time. http://koti.mbnet.fi/funxion/stuff/KuruKuruKururinTestRun.rar I completed the whole game, except the lost land. (I just found out that there is one :P). I used [E] version My goals were: - Fastest time by in-game clock - Save every bird I also skip the training levels.
Posted: 5/31/2005 7:39 PM
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Fnx, great movie! I'm sure it can be improved further, but it is a good start. My only comment would be that you go through the whole movie without taking a "hit" - except once. Perhaps you should decide whether its going to be a "Takes no damage" movie, or a "Takes damage to save time" movie. I'd go for the latter as almost every level has a part where you are waiting for your spin to get through without taking a hit. Keep it up tho!
Posted: 5/31/2005 9:50 PM
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Thanks for the comment! My goal was to achive fastest time using in-game clock, and that one hit did save time so I dont mind :P The video can be improved by a lot, I know it. I just started making the run with no practice or planning xD I'm not sure if I'm gonna try to improve it, but hopefully someone else will ;D
Posted: 10/18/2005 2:42 AM
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I'm working on this i'll do 100% completion, that is: training levels normal levels chalenge mode I'll get 100% items and get star on all levels. Also, i'm aiming for in-game time, not real time. I'm using the wall sometimes to help changing the angle, but its not a hit as i still get a star at the end of the level and i do not lose the 3 seconds from when a hit happens.
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Posted: 10/18/2005 2:52 AM
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FODA wrote:
I'm using the wall sometimes to help changing the angle, but its not a hit as i still get a star at the end of the level and i do not lose the 3 seconds from when a hit happens.
You mean while inside or just barely in a safe zone, or do you mean you found a bug that lets you bounce off walls without getting hit in other situations? And if you aren't taking any hits, then isn't aiming for in-game time the same thing as aiming for real-time, with the 100% completion restriction?
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