https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
This is the link that xipo attack "feos", "TASeditor" and "Samsara", xipo's character is really bad， pls cancle his account，cancle his movie. After some time I will translate what he said in this link
Requesting a delay on the submission while xipo and I re-investigate the movie for further improvements. There will be a new full encode when we're finished.
EDIT: Submission, text, and encode updated with the new file.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
This is the link that xipo attack "Samsara", xipo's character is really bad， please manager cancle xipo's account，cancle xipo's movie. After some time I will translate what he said in this link
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Just to note this is a reprisal of this thread here.
Xipo was only putting out false information during that thread when all information was provided by TASeditor.
It's quite disappointing that even after their attack in another thread where they were clearly still in the wrong that they'll continue this.
It also should be known that when Soig was basically done with the site and creation of their TASes that Xipo also went after them.
This is quite a disappointing attitude that you've continued doing Xipo.
On the account of blind faith, I do hope there is a translated version of what is being stated in that video.
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in the link https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
you sees your name, xipo said, scumtron is the contributor in ng2, he said samsara break his promise. On the line 9 and 10, “我认为真正该抹去名字的恰恰应该是samsara”， means"xipo think samsara's name should be cancled in ng2, because samsara has no contribute in ng2, xipo attack samsara, and asked chinese tasers attack samsara
In the link 1m44s, we can see”出尔反尔的恰恰是我们曾经认为高素质的欧美玩家”, means” European and American always break their promise” ，he attack all the European and American
I can make the credits start faster without sacrificing any input time, but I was trying to make it maximum entertaining, and it didn't disappoint.
you can see this link xipo attack you
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
in 5m23s, you can see your name. xipo said very long discussion to attack you, means that "you only modify the stage 8, not pass his agreement, your name could not add in super C". the last sentence"国外玩家直接拿来剪切，这就是蛮横霸道“，meas”foreign taser cut the movie directly, rude and unreasonable". xipo ask chinese tasers attack you，attack all the foreign taser
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
in 6m19s, xipo said”这种蛮横霸道只能欧美玩家干，其他人就不行。就在几年前，有位中国玩家也做过类似的事情，把欧美玩家的激龟忍者传项目做了剪切，只在官底的尾部加上自己的操作，结果被外国版权正义人士集体批判，现在当这个叫做feos的裁判官做出同样的事情的时候，之前那些版权正义人士却突然集体失了声，全部消失不见了，没有一个人提出质疑。更重要的是，我之后又做了进一步的改动，完全覆盖了这位feos玩家的方案，也就是说最终的成品里没有一帧是和feos有关系的，他没有任何一丝一毫的共享，这样的人也能厚着脸皮当合作者？不仅如此，这位feos的裁判官在之后的赤影战士洗稿案中，参与了袒护剽窃者的队伍，而当我拿着超级魂斗罗剪切事件嘲讽feos时，高素质的欧美玩家再一次使出他们惯用的抵赖本领，强行说feos是有贡献的（有你妹的贡献，你替我做主？）。再后来，可能是自己也觉得羞愧，feos居然在袒护案中假模假样地帮我讲了两句无关轻重的好话，这就是扮完黑脸扮白脸吗？）” It means, rude and unreasonable is belongs to European and American taser, others cannot. feos cannot appear the name in super C because he has no contribution, no any frame is related with feos, could this player of thick face be cooperator? Feos also protect taseditor in kage, feos is blackguard.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
in 8m32s, xipo said”在申诉贴里面，我遭遇到了国外杠精疯狂的撕咬。在这里你看到的都是撒泼打滚，死皮赖脸，颠倒黑白”, means”in the complain post ,you could see foreign tasers bait, they are shameless, reversal fact”. Could xipo attack all the foreign taser? In SDA, attack someone should be cancled all the movies. Now, could manager cancle all the movies of xipo?
Just to note this is a reprisal of this thread here.
Xipo was only putting out false information during that thread when all information was provided by TASeditor.
It's quite disappointing that even after their attack in another thread where they were clearly still in the wrong that they'll continue this.
It also should be known that when Soig was basically done with the site and creation of their TASes that Xipo also went after them.
This is quite a disappointing attitude that you've continued doing Xipo.
On the account of blind faith, I do hope there is a translated version of what is being stated in that video.
in China, xipo has a lot of enemies, his behavior is too bad, he is really shameless. All my translation about his attack foreign tasers video is true. https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad
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ryse345 wrote:
feos cannot appear the name in super C because he has no contribution, no any frame is related with feos, could this player of thick face be cooperator?
That's a silly accusation and I already debunked it. Using Koh1fds's example movie, I figured out everything necessary to make that glitch work and implemented all the input for it. I changed Xipo's last level to make use of that glitch and made him the primary author in my submission. I also kindly explained how it works to Xipo. He improved it even further and never asked my name to be dropped. But then, after a few years, suddenly it became a crazy problem. Interestingly he never replied to the explanation I provided there. Welp.
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feos cannot appear the name in super C because he has no contribution, no any frame is related with feos, could this player of thick face be cooperator?
That's a silly accusation and I already debunked it. Using Koh1fds's example movie, I figured out everything necessary to make that glitch work and implemented all the input for it. I changed Xipo's last level to make use of that glitch and made him the primary author in my submission. I also kindly explained how it works to Xipo. He improved it even further and never asked my name to be dropped. But then, after a few years, suddenly it became a crazy problem. Interestingly he never replied to the explanation I provided there. Welp.
Now, he make the video, insult all the foreign tasers, propagate the video. We should prevent his behaviour. The best punish of him is cancle his movies in tasvideo?
I'm not a native speaker of English and I'm terribly bad at English, so I don't know what happens in detail.
However, I hope the problem is resolved peacefully.
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I can only think of two things I may have done wrong during the creation of NG2:
1. Submitting what is now the currently published run without asking Xipo first. I felt asking wasn't necessary for such a small improvement to an incredibly technically polished run.
2. I changed up small portions of the platforming sections for entertainment purposes. I felt this was entirely in line with what Xipo asked me to do with the run, which was adding playaround after the boss fights. I figured it would be okay to do that as much as I could throughout the movie: Considering how tight Scumtron's previous run was, and how there was only just over a second of improvement, it made sense to me to try and help provide a unique viewing experience to a run people have been watching for over a decade.
At no point did I detect any hostility from Xipo during our correspondence, and I can provide the entire PM log to prove that. I was aware of the previous incident with TASeditor and I was specifically hoping to avoid that. I can even provide offsite conversations I had with friends regarding my worry of doing something wrong, conversations that even preceded Xipo approaching me with the idea of co-authorship. If either of the things I listed were what I did wrong, then, yes, I'm sorry, but apart from that, I am pretty confident I did nothing wrong and don't deserve to be attacked for "plagiarism".
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
I can only think of two things I may have done wrong during the creation of NG2:
1. Submitting what is now the currently published run without asking Xipo first. I felt asking wasn't necessary for such a small improvement to an incredibly technically polished run.
2. I changed up small portions of the platforming sections for entertainment purposes. I felt this was entirely in line with what Xipo asked me to do with the run, which was adding playaround after the boss fights. I figured it would be okay to do that as much as I could throughout the movie: Considering how tight Scumtron's previous run was, and how there was only just over a second of improvement, it made sense to me to try and help provide a unique viewing experience to a run people have been watching for over a decade.
At no point did I detect any hostility from Xipo during our correspondence, and I can provide the entire PM log to prove that. I was aware of the previous incident with TASeditor and I was specifically hoping to avoid that. I can even provide offsite conversations I had with friends regarding my worry of doing something wrong, conversations that even preceded Xipo approaching me with the idea of co-authorship. If either of the things I listed were what I did wrong, then, yes, I'm sorry, but apart from that, I am pretty confident I did nothing wrong and don't deserve to be attacked for "plagiarism".
The link https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1s64y1o7Ad?t=240 1m44s, all the 13 lines discusstion is that xipo attack you, last sentence ”出尔反尔的恰恰是我们曾经认为高素质的欧美玩家”, means” European and American always break their promise” ，he attack all the European and American , so crazy. I have complain xipo's video that slander all the European and American Tasers and Tasvideo, could tasvideo punish him? we cannot tolerate his untrue declare
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I've just been made aware of what I apparently did wrong: Scumtron was not listed as a co-author on the either of our NG2 submissions. I believe I understand where things went wrong here.
This is Xipo's first PM to me, after I announced I was working on NG2. The last line is of importance, because I think this is the "promise" that I broke. I misunderstood this line: I assumed that Xipo had intended to reach out to Scumtron so that all three of us would actively work on the improved run. The run ended up being created by just Xipo and myself, so when I submitted the run, I did not include Scumtron as a co-author, since we did not get in contact with him and he had no actual input in the improvement. At no point did Xipo make me aware that omitting Scumtron was a broken promise, though. Across both submissions, for as long as they were up on the workbench, Xipo never got in contact with me and directly asked me to do this. He even provided me with an improvement for the second submission once it was already up, and he did not mention that I was doing anything wrong with the co-authorship.
This is a case of misunderstanding on my part, and I'd like that to be corrected no matter what, but I do need to stress how there was no communication from Xipo that anything was wrong in the first place, and if there was I would have swiftly fixed things.
EDIT: Scumtron has now been credited on both NG2 movies.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
I think it’s reasonable to see where Xipo is coming from with some of his complaints but, fact is he could have easily just tried to communicate with people to get some of them fixed. The TASeditor situation is in a sort of gray area. How TASVideos handles authorship essentially places a lot of the obligation on the submitter and other potential coauthors to figure things out amongst themselves, but we have some clear baseline rules that this situation doesn’t quite violate. On the other hand the situation with Ninja Gaiden 2 was clearly a miscommunication. I do not think it was appropriate at all to attack Samsara without consulting her that she did something wrong. Similarly the situation with Super C I fail to see Xipo providing any indication until the TASeditor event that feos did anything wrong, nor by most reasonable standards did he do anything wrong. Additionally the statements directed at the entire western TASing scene is in my opinion completely uncalled for and xenophobic.
I’d like to hear a response from Xipo for all this prior to any further discussion or actions. We are not happy with those that direct hatred towards the community at large. If amendments are not made, we will be forced to take action.
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[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
For God's sake, just make xipo a co-author in any submissions if he asks you to do that. That stream-sniping (or more like "submission-sniping") stuff can go on and on, because who knows how many unfinished WIPs he has behind the scenes.
Dealing with each individual "plagiarism" of that kind might take long and burn much nerve cells. If we dig dipper, an input file's metadata/header can be edited with appropriate tools or, at least, with a HEX editor. I can have hundreds of movies "from 2011" and blame everyone that its input is actually my input.
TASing is like making a film: only the best takes are shown in the final movie.
I think it’s reasonable to see where Xipo is coming from with some of his complaints but, fact is he could have easily just tried to communicate with people to get some of them fixed. The TASeditor situation is in a sort of gray area. How TASVideos handles authorship essentially places a lot of the obligation on the submitter and other potential coauthors to figure things out amongst themselves, but we have some clear baseline rules that this situation doesn’t quite violate. On the other hand the situation with Ninja Gaiden 2 was clearly a miscommunication. I do not think it was appropriate at all to attack Samsara without consulting her that she did something wrong. Similarly the situation with Super C I fail to see Xipo providing any indication until the TASeditor event that feos did anything wrong, nor by most reasonable standards did he do anything wrong. Additionally the statements directed at the entire western TASing scene is in my opinion completely uncalled for and xenophobic.
I’d like to hear a response from Xipo for all this prior to any further discussion or actions. We are not happy with those that direct hatred towards the community at large. If amendments are not made, we will be forced to take action.
In the beginning of the link, we can see"点赞数超过20个出下集"，means the video is voted "yes" more than 20, he will publish Reveal foreign tasers matter continously. But anyway, I will follow this, if he instigate Chinese to attack foreign tasers again, I will complain him continously :)
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Dimon12321 wrote:
For God's sake, just make xipo a co-author in any submissions if he asks you to do that.
Because if you didn't gather from me commenting about it already or Samsara or Memory. Xipo is lying through their teeth.
Why in any sake should we allow a person who would write anything they want to and ask for credit that they have no involvement in making to begin with?
Hey ryse345, can I please get a translation line by line of the comments made at 7m 54sec.
I know it's mostly shit talking and slang usage but I'm unable to translate it, a "best guess" is fine:
向我清求技术原理 自己坦诚了解的不多,
照看我的录像抄都抄不好 还向为什么他做不到，这有多菜
我二活不悅，直接幼手 亲自帮他解決
又遇到问题清教 有多菜啊
不BB，奈自出马帮他解決
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For God's sake, just make xipo a co-author in any submissions if he asks you to do that.
Because if you didn't gather from me commenting about it already or Samsara or Memory. Xipo is lying through their teeth.
Why in any sake should we allow a person who would write anything they want to and ask for credit that they have no involvement in making to begin with?
Hey ryse345, can I please get a translation line by line of the comments made at 7m 54sec.
I know it's mostly shit talking and slang usage but I'm unable to translate it, a "best guess" is fine:
向我清求技术原理 自己坦诚了解的不多, he asked me teach techical theory
照看我的录像抄都抄不好 还向为什么他做不到，这有多菜 could not copy my movie to tas, and asked me why he could not copy, so skillless
我二活不悅，直接幼手 亲自帮他解決 I did it without saying anything, solved the pb for help him
又遇到问题清教 有多菜啊 he met the problem again, he is so skillless
不BB，奈自出马帮他解決
I did it without saying anything to help him again
Not all the registered members here are Westerners. There are many Japanese, Chinese, Brazilian, etc. In that sense, I suspect that it is not the whole site problem but an interpersonal problem. So please don't upset, please don't enlarge the problem as it is.
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In the video can you write back in Chinese what's written between 2min 16sec and 5mins 48secs.
Just separate and mark which bits they are and timestamp if you have to.
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In the link 1m44s, we can see”出尔反尔的恰恰是我们曾经认为高素质的欧美玩家”, means” European and American always break their promise” ，he attack all the European and American
Why does that sentence mean "break their promise?"
Google translation says, "It is precisely the European and American players that we used to think of as high-quality players."
From Longman Dictionary, 'the' means,
1used to show that you are talking about a particular thing or person that has already been mentioned, is already known about, or is the only one4used before the name of a family in the plural to refer to all the members of that family
If he used it in the former meaning, it does not follow that he is criticizing all the western player.
In the link 1m44s, we can see”出尔反尔的恰恰是我们曾经认为高素质的欧美玩家”, means” European and American always break their promise” ，he attack all the European and American
Why does that sentence mean "break their promise?"
Google translation says, "It is precisely the European and American players that we used to think of as high-quality players."
From Longman Dictionary, 'the' means,
1used to show that you are talking about a particular thing or person that has already been mentioned, is already known about, or is the only one4used before the name of a family in the plural to refer to all the members of that family
If he used it in the former meaning, it does not follow that he is criticizing all the western player.
DeepL machine translation gave me this: “ It is precisely the European and American players that we once thought were of high quality that have gone back on their word.”
I wouldn’t trust Google (DeepL is more reliable but it’s still a machine)”
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Really funny how Xipo still hasn't provided any hard evidence to his accusations, that "I stole a 9:30 TAS from him" and only provides PMs that suit the case to twist his narrative.
He still hasn't shown a 9:30 microstorage link to which "I only added L+R inputs" to proof his case that "the 9:30 TAS is 90% his work" and only provided a fabricated example.
It would be really easy for him to show he's in the right, if and only if he posted the microstorage link of the 9:30 TAS without L+R. DeHackEd then could look at the upload time and compare it to when I uploaded/submitted.
The submitted 9:30 TAS has none of Xipos 9:35 input.
As for the "proposal of co-author", I could have better communicated that he needs to actively work on his own and not only wait for a little thing to paste the solution of his previous TAS into it.
Memory wrote:
Additionally the statements directed at the entire western TASing scene is in my opinion completely uncalled for and xenophobic.
If you translate the comments of the video, it's full of those.
This is Xipo's first PM to me, after I announced I was working on NG2. The last line is of importance, because I think this is the "promise" that I broke. I misunderstood this line: I assumed that Xipo had intended to reach out to Scumtron so that all three of us would actively work on the improved run. The run ended up being created by just Xipo and myself, so when I submitted the run, I did not include Scumtron as a co-author, since we did not get in contact with him and he had no actual input in the improvement. At no point did Xipo make me aware that omitting Scumtron was a broken promise, though. Across both submissions, for as long as they were up on the workbench, Xipo never got in contact with me and directly asked me to do this. He even provided me with an improvement for the second submission once it was already up, and he did not mention that I was doing anything wrong with the co-authorship.
This is a case of misunderstanding on my part, and I'd like that to be corrected no matter what, but I do need to stress how there was no communication from Xipo that anything was wrong in the first place, and if there was I would have swiftly fixed things.
EDIT: Scumtron has now been credited on both NG2 movies.
