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Posted: 10/9/2009 7:23 AM
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Atma
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I'd say go with speed. The entertainment factor from that alone wouldn't really make up for the time spent going to get it (I'd ponder if the same is also true for wrens positron bolt). If you were to go for entertainment, I'd suggest lowering the text speed to a level where even at maximum skip speed it's still readable.
Posted: 10/9/2009 2:37 PM
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janus
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mmm... I got the positron bolt mainly for its attack power; I was also able to gain tremedous experience. i should quit it?
Posted: 10/9/2009 2:45 PM
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Andypro
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It would be cool to see the game beaten with the least amount of leveling, weaponry, and skills possible imho. I think that would maximize the speed of the run - if you're able to just eek out a victory at every boss you encounter, you know you're at the minimum possible stats to do it. Your test runs have been pretty good, so I'll probably vote "yes" when you finally submit it if the quality of play is as high regardless of what you decide.
Posted: 10/9/2009 3:19 PM
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janus
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it's a big decision... I have to calculate the average amount of damage Megid does. If my characters can withstand it without all the leveling, then I will go for it. However, I keep the burst rockets; it's way too useful... or it is?
Posted: 10/10/2009 3:43 PM
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Atma
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it's in a rather convenient location, isn't it? or was that another upgrade?
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:34 PM
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janus
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it's actually quite a detour... let's try without
Posted: 10/10/2009 11:22 PM
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I liked your full game WIP, but IMO you should have finished the Silver Soldier sidequest; you were most of the way there anyway.
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Posted: 10/20/2009 10:23 PM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/602218104/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv after a few changes of strategy (and a LOT of luck), I was able to save over 600 frames before Nurvus
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:55 AM
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Andypro
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Cool. Where did you make the gains? In battles?
Posted: 10/21/2009 5:01 AM
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janus
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first by avoiding Aeido. BUt yes, mainyl during battle. I was able to avoid healing during gy-laguish (or whatever the name). Killing people isn't always the best option
Posted: 10/22/2009 3:44 AM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/235073359/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv although the xe-la-thoul fight was 1300 frames longer - the silver tusk DOES give an advantage -, my actual run is over 8k frames shorter than the test run
Posted: 10/26/2009 2:17 PM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1718398110/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv i reworked the xe-la-thoul fight. It was even longer, but i was able to keep everyone that mattered alive after lashiec (the fight was 400 frames shorter). I will work it again since I only need one trimate
Posted: 10/27/2009 2:34 AM
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Highness
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You sure got some patience there. :) Keep it up!
Posted: 10/27/2009 4:12 AM
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Bablo
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I'm so glad you have picked up this project, janus. And you're making great progress. Loved that WIP. Keep it up!
<adelikat> I've been quoted with worse
Posted: 10/29/2009 2:32 PM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1861466309/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv dark force II has been taken care of.
Posted: 10/30/2009 10:40 PM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1918039049/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv I got over rykros without leveling up. However, I need to start again - I don't need as many telepipes/escapipes - I don't even need star-dew - I might not even need the ultimate armours Also, I still can't figure out how to make le roof appear. I waited 20 frames, I even changed level...
Posted: 10/31/2009 2:43 AM
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FuzZerd
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Sega TAS of 2011
I thought I said the only thing you need to do to get le roof to show up is wait 1 frame before opening the menu after opening the last chest.
Posted: 10/31/2009 3:40 PM
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BigBoct
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Latest WIP looks good. Can't believe you're starting over AGAIN. This will make, what, four times you've basically run the whole game?
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Posted: 10/31/2009 4:20 PM
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janus
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FuzZerd wrote:
I thought I said the only thing you need to do to get le roof to show up is wait 1 frame before opening the menu after opening the last chest.
that's what I did. I even waited 20 frames. maybe I have to wait before opening the chests...
Posted: 10/31/2009 4:22 PM
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Atma
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Solon wrote:
Can't believe you're starting over AGAIN. This will make, what, four times you've basically run the whole game?
He did that at least a dozen times in breath of fire 2, and it's almost 5 hours in length. In a sense, it shouldn't come as a surprise, he just has that much patience.
Posted: 10/31/2009 10:16 PM
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FuzZerd
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before OPENING THE MENU, not before teleporting. also the first frame after the text box disappears is a lag frame so you can't open the menu then. leave one non-lag frame after opening the chest before opening the menu
Posted: 11/2/2009 3:46 AM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/180848054/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv i'm after zio. it's slightly longer, mainly because the AI for this game is utterly unpredictable.
Posted: 11/2/2009 5:56 PM
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Andypro
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I watched your previous (v4) up to Rykros TAS and it looked very good. I especially liked how you redid the Lashiec fight by keeping the party alive and also that you didn't have to farm the towers on Rykros for experience.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:03 PM
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janus
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if i can't withstand megid, I will have to level up. Unless Raja can, and will then ressucitate everyone. If we can resist, I will go with hahn I will try something : buy only one silver shield
Posted: 11/5/2009 2:38 PM
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janus
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/151038396/Phantasy%20Star%20IV%20%284%29%20%5B%21%5D.gmv a few changes in strategy made me save 1300 frames right before the garuberk tower. I was able to survive with only one silver shield!
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