Topic by 4matsy

Posted: 7/6/2004 1:48 AM

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4matsy

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Oddly, unlike the later games, all the bosses here have various lengths of post-damage invincibility. Wily's is next to nothing--I usually beat him normally by using the Fire Storm and jumping up right next to the weak point, getting about 2-4 hits each time. =P

Posted: 7/6/2004 8:44 PM

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AdmiralJonB

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Great run Bisqwit! I guess it can be interesting with the pause trick... Then again, maybe it was all the tricks you did on the way that carried the interesting parts over.

Posted: 7/6/2004 8:47 PM
(Edited: 1/23/2022 6:54 PM)

Post subject: The six pausetrickless shortmovies.

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Bisqwit

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Thanks AdmiralJonB. Here are the six movies of each Rockman boss without the pause trick and without special weapons: https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-b.fmv (Bomb Man) https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-c.fmv (Cut Man) https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-e.fmv (Elec Man) https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-f.fmv (Fire Man) https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-g.fmv (Guts Man) https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/rm-i.fmv (Ice Man) All bosses except Fire Man are lossless battles. I didn't play the main levels very carefully (though I did do some impressive ladder tricks in Elec Man level), but I tried to handle the bosses as fast as possible.

Posted: 7/7/2004 8:33 AM

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AngerFist

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perhaps someday somebody will recode a run on avi (a run without using the pause tricks)....

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Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

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Posted: 7/7/2004 8:58 AM

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Bisqwit

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ANGERFIST wrote:

perhaps someday somebody will recode a run on avi (a run without using the pause tricks)....

Perhaps someday somebody will travel around England by jumping on one feet only. Not likely, is pointless, but not impossible.

Posted: 7/7/2004 4:51 PM

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-Tempest

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*clap clap clap* Nice run.

Posted: 7/7/2004 10:37 PM

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SectionX

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that was a fantastic run! Dont listen to the people who dont want to see the pause trick. I watch the movies because i want to see them as fast as possible.

Posted: 7/9/2004 4:48 AM

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Blechy

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it really is one of the most creative runs out there due to the bugs- you used all the bugs you found in it, I don't think there should be any exceptions in that case. Very well done. my question is, do the small point balls add on time when they're tallied up after you complete a level? I think they do but I can't tell.

Posted: 7/9/2004 10:52 AM

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Bisqwit

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Blechy wrote:

my question is, do the small point balls add on time when they're tallied up after you complete a level? I think they do but I can't tell.

I haven't verified, but I believe they do so I avoided them.

Posted: 7/9/2004 11:25 AM

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Blechy wrote:

my question is, do the small point balls add on time when they're tallied up after you complete a level? I think they do but I can't tell.

Absolutely yes. After grabbing that thing that falls into the room, a small fanfare is played and then the score is tallied. First the bonus for defeating the boss (a quasi-random score determined before play begins) and then a bonus for each little ball collected. I'm sure Boco will tell me what all these balls are called but I don't know what they are.

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Posted: 7/9/2004 1:38 PM

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feitclub wrote:

I'm sure Boco will tell me what all these balls are called but I don't know what they are.

"Bonus Ball". Wily scattered them for some reason. It's some kind of jewel, but I don't think it actually has a purpose or that its purpose was explained.

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Posted: 7/9/2004 2:45 PM

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4matsy

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Hmm...I just noticed that the run has 70/80k for each boss. The lowest I've ever gotten is 50k though...o_O Though I doubt the run is worth redoing for, like, 2-3 seconds worth of time saved on nothing but less bonus points... :/ And yeah, this run is t3H sh1z...it's like a hot, yummy glitch stew. :D

Posted: 7/9/2004 11:38 PM

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Bisqwit

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4matsy wrote:

Hmm...I just noticed that the run has 70/80k for each boss. The lowest I've ever gotten is 50k though...o_O

You're right. I will test whether this has effect on the time.

4matsy wrote:

Though I doubt the run is worth redoing for, like, 2-3 seconds worth of time saved on nothing but less bonus points... :/

This is not all I have in my mind. I was going to do a new version anyway.

Posted: 7/10/2004 12:00 AM

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Bisqwit

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Bisqwit wrote:

I will test whether this has effect on the time.

It has. I'm now 31 frames (0.5 seconds) faster after the Guts Man level than in the published movie. The saving in score accounted for 15 or 16 frames (20 for less counting, 4 to get the 50000 value at start).

Posted: 7/10/2004 12:45 AM

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devindotcom

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no constructive criticism here, I just wanted to say this was a great movie. Way to demonstrate the limitations of the game and its 'physics.' Any idea whether this kind of glitch run could work in megaman 2? I'm more familiar with that one.

Posted: 7/10/2004 12:51 AM

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Bisqwit

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devindotcom wrote:

Any idea whether this kind of glitch run could work in megaman 2? I'm more familiar with that one.

Yes - it is in fact already being worked on.

Finalfighter @ Yarukinasu bbs wrote:

For a foreigner Progress of the nes movie of "Rockman2" 1:bubbleman(completed) 2:flashman(completed) 3:heatman(completed) 4:airman(completed) 5:crashman(completed) (5sec faster than "crashman4.mpg") 6:quickman(Morimoto create now) 7:woodman(Incomplete) 8:metalman(Incomplete) 9:WilyStage(Incomplete)

Posted: 7/14/2004 11:12 PM

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Cazlab

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I'll just have to say that Bisqwit's timeattack @ rockman was stunning! It was the greatest I've ever seen! (k)(k)(k)(k)(k)(k)!!! :D I heard there soon will be a 2nd try att mm2, is that really true?

Posted: 7/14/2004 11:18 PM

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Grillo

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Cazlab, read the entire threads before you post.

Posted: 7/15/2004 5:51 PM

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Cazlab

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sry dude ;P

Posted: 1/9/2005 9:09 PM
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AngerFist

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"Off Topic" Bisqwit, I have a question about your rockman run. Im sure you already know this but why didnt you chose Cutman after Gutsman? Because I did this and used afterwards cutmans weapon against Elecman and it took like 2-3 seconds before he died (without using the paus glitch). Reason? well wanted to explore if there was any better weapon against Elecman and found Cutmans weapon most effective. Because when I shot the first time he (Elecman) got hit 3 times (I was standing on that rock and fired my first shot, and since the cut-weapon does a circular move it hitted him 3 times). By then his life down by almost 2/3. Shooted the second time and if I remember correctly when I shot the second time he got hit twice this time (because his life was so low that it only required he got hit twice by my second shot). The question is: Since Cutmans weapon have a better effect on Elecman, shouldnt you use the paus glitch on him using Cutmans weapon (i.e changing your route) so you could save som extra seconds instead of using Gutsmans weapon?

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 1/9/2005 9:12 PM

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NrgSpoon

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The run was made in order to get magnet beam as fast as possible.

I like my "thank you"s in monetary form.

Posted: 1/9/2005 9:12 PM

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Bisqwit

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Because the magnet beam (which is obtained from Elecman's level) saves lots of time in Cutman level - I believe it is far more than what using Cutman against Elecman would have saved.

Posted: 1/9/2005 9:22 PM

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AngerFist

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I rest my case ;))) How stupid of not thinking of that before I wrote my last message :) That darn Magnet Beam ! (if it werent for magnet beam u would have saved a few seconds using cutmans beam)

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 2/11/2005 6:45 PM
(Edited: 1/23/2022 7:15 PM)

Post subject: Rockman WIP

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Bisqwit

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I'm now making a new movie of Rockman. Besides some general optimizations, I have two new major tricks, one of which was contributed by Finalfighter. Because of the other one, I'm now able to play Elecman as the first level of the movie, allowing me to later play the Gutsman level using the magnet beam. The new path is Elec->Ice->Fire->Bomb->Guts->Cut. There's one dilemma though: Killing Elecman using Guts weapon takes about 8 seconds, whereas killing him using the basic weapon takes 31 seconds. This is a major problem which only appears if Elecman level is played before Cut/Guts levels. If using the magnet beam in Gutsman level saves 23 seconds over a non-magnet-beam version of Gutsman level, this plan works. The lift sequence saves about 13 seconds. Even if I'll have to revert to the old path (Guts->Elec->Cut->Ice->Fire->Bomb), I guess I can make up about 30 seconds of improvement compared to the published version. WIP here: https://files.tasvideos.org/bisqwit/bisqwit-rockmanv6-incomplete.zip

Posted: 2/11/2005 6:56 PM

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Very nice. :) I LOVED it when you shot to the left right before finishing off Elec. That was really great. I had doubts about this new "wtf factor" style, but it's actually quite nice now that I look at it. The fight with Elec was really amusing to watch.