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Posted: 1/22/2011 1:15 AM

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How would you kill enemies when you have magnet beam equipped?

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Posted: 1/22/2011 8:12 AM

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Spider-Waffle

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Can't you switch weapons after the beam is out?

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Posted: 1/22/2011 3:18 PM

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Spider-Waffle wrote:

Can't you switch weapons after the beam is out?

nope.

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Posted: 1/22/2011 10:20 PM

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Spider-Waffle

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What about firing, then switching to beam and catching the drops, then bringing on more enemies?

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Posted: 1/22/2011 11:51 PM

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Spider-Waffle wrote:

What about firing, then switching to beam and catching the drops, then bringing on more enemies?

Maybe???

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Posted: 1/24/2011 8:55 AM

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Spider-Waffle

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Well if that works, is there a problem with sprite overload on elec, fire, cuts, and guts? I'm guessing there must be something else or FF probably would have thought of this. Also, you could even wait for the beam to time out, then fire at enemies below the beam, then switch to beam and catch the original falling set, and new set of drops.

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Posted: 1/24/2011 9:01 AM

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Wow, I... I really can't imagine how you would possibly accomplish all that before your original drops have fallen out of reach, but try it if you want, Spider-Waffle.

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Posted: 1/24/2011 4:08 PM

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Neither Object75 nor F5(DelayStageClear) appear only by increasing the number of instructions. Wrong CurrentRoomPointer is decided by the map number,stage number and worng Bank. Only one kind of object appears if the memory that CurrentRoomPointer shows doesn't change. In a lot of maps, the object that cannot save time appears. Elec,Fire,Cut,Wily3,Wily4:Even if the amount of instruction is enough, a useful object doesn't appear. Guts:The amount of instructions is insufficient though a good object appears. Bomb:DelayStageClear(ObjectF5) Ice:DelayFFStageClear(ObjectFF->Object75,F5) Wily1:DelayStageClear(Object75,F5) Wily2:DelayStageClear(Object5D+Y of 9th Enemy=75)

Posted: 1/26/2011 5:42 AM

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finalfighter wrote:

- Guts:The amount of instructions is insufficient though a good object appears.

Can you explain why the 3 green flying heads that happen after the moving platforms don't provide sufficient instructions to overload? I'm just curious, because the same enemy works in Wily 2

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Posted: 6/20/2011 1:16 PM

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Has any progress been made on this? I've been looking forward to this run all year.

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Posted: 6/29/2011 10:59 PM

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I executed DelayObjectDE. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1277815606/Rock_ObjectDE.fm2 All drop item are required for next 4xDelayObjectGlitch. but the drop item disappears before executing 4xDelayObjectGlitch. And, other objects do not appear when DelayObjectDE is used. We can not obtain an enough amount of instructions by the methods other than ObjectDE. If a good solution idea is not found , we may change the route like this. Elec:usual route Bomb:DelayStageClear(using RockBuster:The switch time of arms is saved. ) Ice:DelayFFStageClear

Posted: 6/29/2011 11:18 PM

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Posted: 6/30/2011 12:34 AM

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That is awesome.

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Posted: 6/30/2011 5:44 AM

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.... What just happened?

Posted: 6/30/2011 7:23 AM

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Posted: 7/23/2011 11:04 PM

Post subject: Bombman/Fireman Zip help

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Can anyone explain step-by-step how to perform the two common zips to Bombman and Fireman that scroll the screen upward? I appreciate any help.

Posted: 7/24/2011 7:47 PM

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Hey tjp! Bombman zip: 1. Place a magnet beam at the very top of the screen 2. jump onto the magnet beam 3. At the top of the screen, place yourself where the ladder is (in this case, the very right edge). 4. Press "up" (if successful, the screen will start scrolling upwards) 5. Hold "left" and mash the "select" button. (if you don't die you've done this correctly) 6. Unpause and continue to hold left. You should be zipping extremely quickly rightwards 7. Once at the door, you need to be facing rightwards (under where the door is), in order for it to open. Fireman zip: Essentially the same. You need to be at the very top of the screen and lined up with the ladder below you. I forget if there are other steps involved with this one. I don't think pausing is needed.

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Posted: 7/25/2011 2:13 AM

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Hey AndrewG! Meh. I'm doing something wrong. I'm using this video (http://www.justin.tv/dabigbooi/b/290772861 29:45 in) for a reference on a consistent way of doing it (he does it on emulator) and if I follow it I still get no screen scroll. I'm using the VC Megaman 1. When I hold up, nothing happens.

Posted: 7/26/2011 5:28 AM

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You have to place them exactly perfect, then when you press up, it will work. I always just did it directly instead of using the ladder for a setup. Using a ladder makes more sense though (well, wastes probably like 5 seconds), but it's WAY more consistant.

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Posted: 7/26/2011 10:50 AM

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Yeah, I had tried to follow the pixel placement of MM on the ladder, but that didn't work. The only almost-success I had was when trying it directly like you do. Ah well..

Posted: 7/26/2011 11:02 AM

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tjp7154 wrote:

Yeah, I had tried to follow the pixel placement of MM on the ladder, but that didn't work. The only almost-success I had was when trying it directly like you do. Ah well..

I always used the score-digits object as a reference. The right distance is exactly two pixels in between of the magnet beam and the score if I recall correctly.

Posted: 7/27/2011 11:54 PM

Post subject: Problem Solved

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Ok, solved the problem of beam placement. My TV cuts off one full ladder rung so I was always one ladder below where I should have been. Now I can get the scroll ladder glitch to work. Now I just need to figure out Fireman's zip and I'll be good to go.

Posted: 10/30/2011 9:19 PM

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Although I and Mr.aglasscage tried DelayMagnetBeamAdapater on using BOT 20,000,000 rerecord, we were not able to get success case. We may not be unable to get a magnet beam in BombManStage. I need to more analyze according to which conditions Object42 appears. (there are 8 x drops items ) And , I will start Iceman stage of DelayStageClear of ObjectFF is due to be verified. These will take more time. :(

Posted: 10/30/2011 11:20 PM

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finalfighter wrote:

Although I and Mr.aglasscage tried DelayMagnetBeamAdapater on using BOT 20,000,000 rerecord, we were not able to get success case. We may not be unable to get a magnet beam in BombManStage.

I thought you demonstrated already this is possible, what happened?

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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:21 PM

Post subject: Impossible Challenge

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I realize we've broken this game past anyone's initial expectations and well beyond that. Since the past run, some have been asking for a new run without various glitches to show something else different about the game. Thinking about that and watching the latest run again, something came to me. The game is supposed to be impossible to beat without the Magnet Beam. Which actually should not be the case. So make a TAS without the Magnet Beam at all, it'd be quite different than the main stream "abuse the heck out of the Magnet Beam" TAS, and yet at the same time is also supposed to be impossible. Edit: Since people on IRC were confused, here's an illustration:

Edit 2: If you somehow manage to beat the game without Magnet Beam or Early Stage Clear, I'd be flabbergasted. But then again, I have a feeling that's possible too. Edit 3: For those who still don't understand, this is how you complete the stage at point "C":

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