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MESHUGGAH
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Question 1: - Quote from this news: "Instead what we did was drive TASers away from us." How many years did it took to realize this? Question 2: - Quote from TheAnonymousReaper (ALREADY BANNED) "Whenever things don’t go their way they just ban you. Some bans are justified yes, but they tend to also ban you when things don’t go their way. In fact trying to have a civil discussion with them sometimes just turns into a chaotic mess." I can only laugh that you banned the user after spitting facts. Question, care to elaborate the ban reason? You permanently banned him because he did something bad to another TASer and now it's over? Would really love to see any high ranking staff member finding themselves in the same situation. edit: And I don't even start discussing about how pathetic is to 100% disrupt all communication with no chance to parole because the ban hammer fell on. And getting the one sided discussion email about why it's extremely normal to ban someone who doesn't have the same mental illness / f-cked up world view as the staff member.
PhD in TASing 🎓 speedrun enthusiast ❤🚷🔥 white hat hacker ▓ black box tester ░ censorships and rules...
Spikestuff
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
I can only laugh that you banned the user after spitting facts.
I'm personally going to ignore the nonsense you wrote to point out that you're agreeing to OtakuTAS. A user who didn't know how to make a lick of any information at all in any of their statements, and created false narratives, never had any "fact". A user who decided to create bullshit in areas they've never been apart of, or doesn't know what happened to certain things, cause they never saw certain things. They were banned justifiably once for impersonation, dedicated to die on their own hill several times afterwards with transphobia in the background you're not aware of. And well attempted to do another hit piece that was full of drivel that I did have a response back about, but was deleted cause it wasn't really necessary to give them a moment to breathe. Why would you decide to side with a known con-artist?
WebNations/Sabih wrote:
+fsvgm777 never censoring anything.
Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account. Strong for yourself and also others.
MESHUGGAH
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Quote from OtakuTAS "During the irc days for example Samsara, Spikestuff, and Masterjun used to bully other users. A somewhat more recent incident is that spikestuff purposefully made a low quality encode of one of Happylee’s tases. Speaking of spikestuff they got booted from staff not even a year ago. They tormented users for many years and only now they got booted. Did you know samsara got banned once for her nasty attitude towards a staff member. I’m pretty sure I saw the post where that happened. Don’t be fooled by the fact that she’s a site admin, she hasn’t really changed because last I saw her, she banned a user for criticizing the staff, and not for that users actual offensives. In fact she used that to try and justify the ban and she even mocked him as she did it and said “goodnight my sweet prince” Memory, while I can’t think of any specific examples is from what I’ve heard also a piece of work. Whenever things don’t go their way they just ban you. Some bans are justified yes, but they tend to also ban you when things don’t go their way. In fact trying to have a civil discussion with them sometimes just turns into a chaotic mess." I have Memory example as in my case and I'm pretty sure the Spikestuff incident happened as I voted for "no punishment, make him apologize, continue working". Looking for proofs about how these are not facts (The only case I didn't know is Masterjun bullying). edit: I rather believe this guy than any of the staff members except feos and Masterjun and adelikat.
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Spikestuff
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
I rather believe this guy than any of the staff members except feos and Masterjun and adelikat.
Good thing I'm not apart of Staff. So. Again. Answer the question Why would you decide to side with a known con-artist? By the way. You cannot spin this back on me. Considering the history you have is worse than mine. Cause after all I did respond. But the response wasn't really necessary to keep for someone like them.
WebNations/Sabih wrote:
+fsvgm777 never censoring anything.
Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account. Strong for yourself and also others.
MESHUGGAH
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Because his post writes down experiences I've also had in this community and because he got banned after writing this on a news article about the staff apologizing. I wouldn't be surprised if the staff is already filled with the same power abuser members I had to communicate with because whatever I wrote was transphobic if it ruins their fantasy world. You can go and check those posts of where I got banned. The fact that I have to spell these speaks volumes of the state of this community.
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Looking for proofs about how these are not facts
Please don't disappoint me like that. Every moderator action (during the past few years at least) is made upon full consensus of moderators and admins. Before banning we also warn and ask to stop the specific thing that is harmful.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Walgrey
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
You can go and check those posts of where I got banned.
Ok. I looked it up. https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/23284?CurrentPage=1&Highlight=514255#514255 imo sounds pretty justified to me
Memory
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Yeah ok so the intention of this thread was to address those pushed away by entertainment standards and various other barriers that kept runs from getting published. They were rightfully pissed off at us. This isn't supposed to be the "I was banned therefore moderation sucks" thread. I appreciate the support I did get here though, was very demotivating to have the thread hijacked when I was occupied by thanksgiving yesterday and work today.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
MESHUGGAH
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Communication in this community is broken. I asked two questions and first I got "By the way. You cannot spin this back on me. Considering the history you have is worse than mine.". "was very demotivating to have the thread hijacked when I was occupied" yeah know that feeling, only difference is I got banned and not just reading a comment from a previously banned TASer on the article about staff made bans. It's 100% clear to me now that the staff thinks my case was absolutely justified, making me lose the faith in this community. I don't have anything to comment, keep on doing what you want.
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Walgrey
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
It's 100% clear to me now that the staff thinks my case was absolutely justified, making me lose the faith in this community.
You broke site rules on hate-speech, then got banned for refusing to co-operate with anyone, then you started to make this thread about yourself. What, pray tell, do you expect us to do about it?
eien86
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
I don't have anything to comment, keep on doing what you want.
(I write this as an individual TASer/user, not as staff member) As a fan of your TASing work, I wished we could all bury the hatchet and let bygones be bygones. Many of the bad actors and attitudes of the past are now long gone, and people around here is now overall is wiser and more tolerant nowadays. This very thread is a sign of that: a call to reconcilliation to those who were or felt wronged by site members or policies in the past. I do understand your frustration and, as a fellow hard-headed passionate guy, at some point I've shared it. But let me tell you, things are much better now if you are willing to give the community (and yourself as a member of it) a new chance. It's never too late to say "ok, whatever, tabula rasa, let's move on". It doesn't take an apology nor does it require taking back the opinions you already given. It's just a matter of letting the things that happened before be forgotten at last. I am personally hopeful to keep seeing you work pop up in the site and not let past grievances push you away again from the community.
Bigbass
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MESHUGGAH, The purpose of Memory's Apology was to address people and communities that have been pushed away by entertainment standards and various other barriers that prevented runs from being published. The thread was for individuals acting in good faith to ask questions or respond to the apology. It was not for you or anyone else to vent about bans they received or to complain about moderation. Not only did you choose to misuse and derail the thread with personal attacks and comments intended to sow ill-will against specific individuals, you failed to provide any specific examples or any evidence to support your claims. You argued that we should provide proof to disprove what you claim to be "facts", from Otaku. We do not operate this way. We assume good-faith when analyzing a person's behavior and character. As such, it is on you to support your claims.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
The fact that I have to spell these speaks volumes of the state of this community.
This attack on the community only goes to show that you are not acting in good faith. As such, all posts pertaining to this derailment have been split to a new thread. Additionally, this is a warning for you: Do not use this forum to attack and tear down people in this community. If you feel someone here, whether staff or not, is currently unfit to be apart of the community, then you may address it but you must do so respectfully and provide clear reasoning. If you'd like to calmly address any immediate issues, please go here.
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