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Is it possible to recover the Blast Mask without using the sword? The cycle I'm currently using to get the Gilded Sword is unfortunately a cycle I was also planning on getting the All Night Mask on. If it's impossible I'll just have to start the Razor Sword after rescuing the old lady actually run a more optimized 2nd cycle to get the Razor Sword ASAP - which personally I think sucks because it could be fun doing what I can of Great Bay and Ikana Canyon without a Sword, and I already know I can do Snowhead without the sword. Though having all six bottles by the end of the 3rd cycle would be a bonus. No, it's not for a TAS or a Speedrun - better players than I can do it more efficiently. I'm just doing this for fun (and possibly as my next LP project after Randomized Yellow)
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Pokota wrote:
Is it possible to recover the Blast Mask without using the sword? The cycle I'm currently using to get the Gilded Sword is unfortunately a cycle I was also planning on getting the All Night Mask on. If it's impossible I'll just have to start the Razor Sword after rescuing the old lady actually run a more optimized 2nd cycle to get the Razor Sword ASAP - which personally I think sucks because it could be fun doing what I can of Great Bay and Ikana Canyon without a Sword, and I already know I can do Snowhead without the sword. Though having all six bottles by the end of the 3rd cycle would be a bonus. No, it's not for a TAS or a Speedrun - better players than I can do it more efficiently. I'm just doing this for fun (and possibly as my next LP project after Randomized Yellow)
You can use Zora and Goron punch to defeat sakon, you can also use the Great Fairy Sword and I'm pretty sure a Deku stick works too. Eventually there will be a place with information like this... (getting worked on little by little)
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GlitchesAndStuff wrote:
You can use Zora and Goron punch to defeat sakon, you can also use the Great Fairy Sword and I'm pretty sure a Deku stick works too. Eventually there will be a place with information like this... (getting worked on little by little)
I won't have the GFS by that point, but I'll give the other options a try on my other file and report what really works for this purpose. I need Sakon to stay alive since I'm also getting the Blast Mask that cycle. Since the Zora mask works and I'll probably still be in the middle of Great Bay Temple at that point of the cycle, I'll go that route. EDIT: So I accidentally managed to trigger the "Tatl Exposits About Skull Kid" cutscene on Cycle 0 (that is, before getting the Ocarina back) by being in Termina Field near the Southern Swamp exit when the tower rises up. Since it can be triggered on Cycle 0 after all, is it possible to use this to save time at all, or is it just a silly little fluke? Also doing it this way - the tower's flipped to "accessible" during the cutscene. I think it's a side effect of there not being a special one just for the cutscene.
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Can help me with the swamp shooting gallery? I really hate how they don't tell you that you need a certain amount of points and that you need every dead in this minigame. Anyway, is there a way I can beat this? It is harder than it looks.
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Real time? Practice. Under Tool-assisted conditions? Save-states. I know it sounds pithy, but it's really the best way to do it. If it helps, here's a perfect game.
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Someone could make a tool assisted demo as an experiment. My experiment: - Get bottle with red potion - Get room key - Get moon's tear - Do the curiosity shop glitch - Get seven pieces of heart (Deku Scrub minigame, the slide, 10 seconds, the hand in the toilet, in front of the clock tower, atop of a tree en route to the swamp, 5000 rupees at the bank) - Get maps of Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Romani Ranch, and Great Bay 5000 rupees in one day is possible, just go back and forth between the bank and the curiosity shop. We replace the room key with an empty bottle, it disappears when you return to the first day.
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PikachuMan wrote:
Someone could make a tool assisted demo as an experiment. My experiment: - Get bottle with red potion - Get room key - Get moon's tear - Do the curiosity shop glitch - Get seven pieces of heart (Deku Scrub minigame, the slide, 10 seconds, the hand in the toilet, in front of the clock tower, atop of a tree en route to the swamp, 5000 rupees at the bank) - Get maps of Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Romani Ranch, and Great Bay 5000 rupees in one day is possible, just go back and forth between the bank and the curiosity shop. We replace the room key with an empty bottle, it disappears when you return to the first day.
...and what will that experiment prove...?
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that it's possible to get 5k rupees in one cycle day. rest of post removed due to me misunderstanding when the experiment would be done.
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Pokota wrote:
Real time? Practice. Under Tool-assisted conditions? Save-states. I know it sounds pithy, but it's really the best way to do it. If it helps, here's a perfect game.
I thought you would use my Video ;)
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Guga wrote:
PikachuMan wrote:
Someone could make a tool assisted demo as an experiment. My experiment: - Get bottle with red potion - Get room key - Get moon's tear - Do the curiosity shop glitch - Get seven pieces of heart (Deku Scrub minigame, the slide, 10 seconds, the hand in the toilet, in front of the clock tower, atop of a tree en route to the swamp, 5000 rupees at the bank) - Get maps of Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Romani Ranch, and Great Bay 5000 rupees in one day is possible, just go back and forth between the bank and the curiosity shop. We replace the room key with an empty bottle, it disappears when you return to the first day.
...and what will that experiment prove...?
Getting all the things accessible as Deku Link before getting back the Ocarina of Time.
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PikachuMan wrote:
Guga wrote:
PikachuMan wrote:
Someone could make a tool assisted demo as an experiment. My experiment: - Get bottle with red potion - Get room key - Get moon's tear - Do the curiosity shop glitch - Get seven pieces of heart (Deku Scrub minigame, the slide, 10 seconds, the hand in the toilet, in front of the clock tower, atop of a tree en route to the swamp, 5000 rupees at the bank) - Get maps of Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Romani Ranch, and Great Bay 5000 rupees in one day is possible, just go back and forth between the bank and the curiosity shop. We replace the room key with an empty bottle, it disappears when you return to the first day.
...and what will that experiment prove...?
Getting all the things accessible as Deku Link before getting back the Ocarina of Time.
I'd also like to see that,why don't you TAS it? lol
TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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I don't think that is even possible Lol
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I don't think that is even possible Lol
Have you tried it? Never say it's impossible unless you give a good attempt.
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Fine I will be the one who will TAS it. can I do them out of order? Can I crash the game after I do the challenges?
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do whatever you want.
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grassini wrote:
PikachuMan wrote:
Guga wrote:
PikachuMan wrote:
Someone could make a tool assisted demo as an experiment. My experiment: - Get bottle with red potion - Get room key - Get moon's tear - Do the curiosity shop glitch - Get seven pieces of heart (Deku Scrub minigame, the slide, 10 seconds, the hand in the toilet, in front of the clock tower, atop of a tree en route to the swamp, 5000 rupees at the bank) - Get maps of Clock Town, Woodfall, Snowhead, Romani Ranch, and Great Bay 5000 rupees in one day is possible, just go back and forth between the bank and the curiosity shop. We replace the room key with an empty bottle, it disappears when you return to the first day.
...and what will that experiment prove...?
Getting all the things accessible as Deku Link before getting back the Ocarina of Time.
I'd also like to see that,why don't you TAS it? lol
I would love to see getting a bottle as Deku Link; I think it would have to be glitch exploitation though, as Koume won't accept the potion from Deku Link and I think you need to have seen the "Give Me A Potion" text at least once before Kotake will give you the freebie.
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Well well well... we cannot get the bottle or the room key yet. So it is impossible to do the curiosity shop glitch right away. For a 100% run, we should get the gold dust and do the curiosity shop glitch. That is the fastest way to get 5000 rupees. But we also want the gilded sword. So the glitch must be executed the same number of times as we sell the item. 5 heart pieces can be collected early on easily without glitches. I think getting 5000 rupees within three days before getting the ocarina is impossible without the day 4 glitch. The moon crashes after day 8 as the game thinks. So you'll never know when it happens to do the glitch again. And this time, you'll be in day 9.
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How to beat the game by using only two pauses for the entire run (Commentated TAS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaDflIPG3f4
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Tompa wrote:
How to beat the game by using only two pauses for the entire run (Commentated TAS):
Which, conveniently for the other discussion, points out that it's possible to get the Lens of Truth during cycle 0.
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How to beat the game by using only two pauses for the entire run (Commentated TAS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaDflIPG3f4
Wow. Any fan of low%s should watch this. It isn't technically a low%, but the "2 pauses" restriction makes it play out very similarly to how low% looks in other games.
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I'm going to try to summarize that video because it's very long and, incredible as his accomplishment is, Kaztalek's commentary is really annoying. It's full of rhetorical questions like, "But how am I going to get the zora eggs without bottles??? Stay tuned...". My summary will have some gaps in it because although I've played Majora's Mask, I'm not very familiar with speedrunning techniques in the game. • Uses grandma's stories to fast forward to dawn of the final day, then dances with the scarecrow to make it night. • Backflips out of Clock Town and goes to Goron Village to pick up the Lens of Truth, which he later uses to pick up the Goron mask. (The Goron Mask can't be obtained without the Lens of Truth.) • Suicides to return to Clock Town. • Gets magic from the fairy in North Clock Town. • Buys a bomb bag to use bombs for extensive hovering later on. • 21:43 - Pauses to equip bombs, the Lens of Truth, and the Ocarina of Time. • Runs to the swamp (still a deku), gets to the giant octorok, drowns, gets hit by a rock spit by a small octorok which sends him flying past the giant octorok into the area with the Deku Palace. • Does some creative wall clipping and jumping and is shot by a Deku to put him on the higher level of the Deku Palace. From there, he straightforwardly picks up Sonata of Awakening. • Heads to Woodfall to use the Sonata of Awakening. • Heads back to Clock Town to get the Song of Healing. Uses some giant dragonflies and a similar trick to earlier to clip past the giant octorok blocking the path. • Now in human form, gets the bomb mask to allow him to pick up the large bomb bag. Buys bombs and does an out-of-bounds warp at the fairy fountain to send him back to Woodfall. • Does some bomb hovering to get to Woodfall Temple. • Gets the bow. • Uses some bomb hovering and an out-of-bounds trick to get to the boss room in Woodfall. Defeats Odolwa. • Plays Song of Time. Picks up rupees and buys more bombs. • Staircase (bomb) hovers over the fence to Great Bay. Gets the zora mask. • Fairy warps to Ikana Canyon. • Uses extensive bomb hovering to get up to Stone Tower Temple. This portion takes over ten minutes. He uses a few enemies to replenish his bombs along the way. • Uses bomb hovering to get to the light arrows. • Flies back to Clock Town. Uses staircase hovering to reach a hidden owl statue. This is used for something called "mayor's warp", which I don't understand well. • Goes to Romani Ranch to pick up Epona. The mayor's warp, an owl statue, a stored Song of Time, and a gossip stone combine to trigger something called the "zeroth day glitch", where the day is returned to the first day's state without interrupting progress. This allows him to get Epona's song. • Uses Song of Time. Picks up more bombs. • Goes to the mountains, obtains the Goron mask (recall that the Lens of Truth is needed). • Goes to Snowhead Temple. Staircase hovers all around it to pick up the flame arrows and eventually reach the boss room. • 1:38:25 - Pauses the second and final time. Equips light arrows, the goron mask, and the zora mask and then equips the fire arrows over the light arrows while triggering the zeroth day glitch again. This allows him three seconds to use the fire arrows before they are permanently replaced with light arrows. Uses the fire arrows to thaw Goht. • Kills Goht with light arrows. • Returns to Termina Field and loses his sword to a bird. • Saves at an owl statue in Clock Town as zora. • Copies the save, loads the second file, goes to Romani Ranch, picks up Epona. Saves at the owl statue while on Epona in the second file. • Resets, loads first file, now on Epona as zora in Clock Town. This cancels zora's B button (now he can't use the boomerang fins) and allows him to use the B button for items depending on the state of the B button at certain times (I'm a little unclear on the details of this). Basically, if the B button says "Pound", he can use the zora's B button to instead drink Obaba's drink and obtain a bottle for catching zora eggs. He uses a similar trick with the goron mask to store the ocarina as the goron's B button. • Begins the Easter egg hunt at Pinnacle Rock. He also stores the Song of Time, which allows him to clone the first egg. I'm not exactly sure why or how this works. • Deposits the first egg and clones it by activating the stored Song of Time. This also resets the Pinnacle rock eggs, so he now needs the three Pinnacle Rock eggs and two Pirates' Fortress eggs. These are obtained one by one. To get on the aquariums in Pirates' Fortress, he jumps off a chest in one room and a barrel in another room. The entire egg quest takes about 30 minutes... • Something about depositing bugs at a gossip stone allows him to use the ocarina as a zora. This lets him play New Wave Bossa Nova. Saves at a nearby owl statue and resets. • Transfers Epona from the second file for the third time. This allows him to use the zora's boomerang fins again. • Gets eaten by a like-like while it's on land and he's underwater, then kills it. (The exact sequence of events here is hard to follow.) This paralyzes him except for punching, which moves him forward slightly. Also, the player's y position is preserved, except when they move uphill. This allows him to hover over various terrain to get up high enough to mount the tortoise. • In the Great Bay Temple, clips through the wall to get to the boss room. Kills Gyorg. Flies to Stone Tower owl statue. • Does a hover glitch to reach the background area of stone tower. Runs into position to shoot a light arrow at the gravity inverter. • In inverted Stone Tower Temple, hovers off of some poes to get out of bounds and reach the boss room. This takes about six minutes. • The rest is straightforward. Kill Twinmold, uses Oath to Order to get to the moon, kills Majora. The end.
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Bobo the King wrote:
I'm going to try to summarize that video because it's very long and, incredible as his accomplishment is, Kaztalek's commentary is really annoying. It's full of rhetorical questions like, "But how am I going to get the zora eggs without bottles??? Stay tuned...". My summary will have some gaps in it because although I've played Majora's Mask, I'm not very familiar with speedrunning techniques in the game....
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