Topic by Deviance

Yeah, I've been recording all my runs. You can get my 4353 run here: http://www.geocities.com/mk64god/dkccc4353-mjf.zip My best score so far is 4389, but before I upload a faster run, I want to spend some time trying to beat Penev's score of 4421. Edit: I just got 4407 with a missed a kremling in the fifth level. Besides that missed kremling, everything went perfectly, so I can't figure out why Penev's score was higher. There's probably some place where he's gaining a second or two on me that I don't realize.

Posted: 7/25/2004 8:22 PM

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Deviance

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I was talking on AIM with Alex Penev a couple of days ago and he sent me the 4421 run. There aren't any large differences between your runs. But I do notice that you do not collect as many banana bunches. Why don't either of you collect the two Banana bunches at next to the 'O' letter in the second level? It isn't risky at all and only takes a couple seconds.

I just got 4407 with a missed a kremling in the fifth level. Besides that missed kremling, everything went perfectly, so I can't figure out why Penev's score was higher.

If you had hit that Kremling, your score would have been within 4 points of his. Don't skip the 1-up balloon in Coral Capers, you can glide past the croctopus safely.

Posted: 7/25/2004 8:35 PM

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Michael_Fried

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But I do notice that you do not collect as many banana bunches. I know I didn't get the one that comes out of the ground in the fifth level, but are there any others that I didn't get? The reason I had to miss that banana bunch was so I wouldn't miss the 50 points at the end. Since I need to miss that banana bunch to have enough time at the end, there must be somewhere that I'm losing time, but I can't figure out where. I'll upload my 4407 run in a few minutes so you can see if you can figure out where I'm losing time. Btw, I don't think those two banana bunches in level 2 are worth it. How much time would it take to get them? Unless it takes less than 2 seconds then it's too slow. Edit: Here's my 4407 run: http://www.geocities.com/mk64god/dkccc4407-mjf.zip

Posted: 7/25/2004 8:40 PM

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Deviance

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there is a banana bunch at the end of ropey rampage hidden in the ground next to the Army. Here's a strange one: right after you throw that first barrel at the two kremlings at the start of the second level, jump in the air instead of rolling, a banana bunch will appear out of the ground. Edit: Your runs look almost identical. The only big difference seems to come from when you didn't get the banana bunch and the kremling in Bouncy Bonanza. Alex Penev was actually slower coming into Bouncy Bonanza. You came in with 1:18 and he had 1:17 left.

Posted: 7/25/2004 9:32 PM

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Michael_Fried

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For that kremling I missed during the long role, sometimes I hit him and sometimes I don't and it seems kind of random, do you know if there are there any tricks to hit him every time?

Posted: 7/25/2004 9:41 PM

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It isn't random; roll late, so it passes over the edge into midair, and keep Y and Right held throughout the roll. It's important that you hit him because it gives you a tremendous boost of speed when combined with the next kremling hit right after.

Posted: 7/25/2004 10:13 PM

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Michael_Fried

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I have another question, when I bounce on the ground under the K between the two kremlings, sometimes the banana bunch comes out and sometimes it doesn't. Do you know what causes it to come out? I'm not sure if it's height because sometimes I land on it from really high and nothing happens, but other times I've when I've landed on it from a little lower the banana bunch did come out. This is another thing that seems a little random.

Posted: 7/26/2004 2:04 AM

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alexpenev

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Here's my 4421 (no saves). http://www.geocities.com/spenev/DKCCC_4421.zip (a few kb) A saves run with this strat should net over 4500, so there's a bit of room for improvement. But I didn't play it very long =)

Posted: 7/26/2004 2:37 AM

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I would have beaten your score a long time ago, but for some reason I keep missing that kremling. I've had so many good runs ruined just because I missed that kremling, and I still can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Edit: This is really frustrating, I have all but the last level mastered really well and I'm getting good runs pretty often now, but I keep messing up in the last level. Sometimes I mess up when I bounce on the ground under the K, and even when I do that correctly I almost always miss the first kremling in the long role. Also, in level two when I skip the bonus level and then throw the barrel at the kremlings, sometimes the banana bunch appears and sometimes it doesn't, and I can't figure out why. I think these are the three things that I'm having the most trouble with, so I hope someone can give me some advice on how to do these things correctly. Edit 2: After a little practice I think I can get the bananas in level 2 to come out just about every time now, but I'm still having trouble with those two things in the last level. Edit 3: I just had another amazing run that got ruined by missing that kremling in the last level. I've been practising for so many hours today that I can own Penev in the first few levels in my sleep (well maybe I'm exaggerating a little but it's almost like that), but all my good runs keep getting ruined in the last level. Edit 4: The part where you bounce under the K is still puzzling me, but I think I figured out the long role. The trick is not to role late, since the ground is a little slanted at the edge, it'll give you a small speed boost if you role over it. Anyway, I just got 4417. I have no idea why I didn't beat Penev. I skipped the same banana bunch as last time, but I made up for it by getting a banana bunch that he didn't get in level 2. I also did the levels a tiny bit faster than him. Maybe I'm losing time at the end for not making the jumps in the Winky bonus room accurate enough. Does anyone know if Snes9x has an autofire option? That would save a little time at the end.

Posted: 7/26/2004 6:57 AM

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Deviance

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I have another question, when I bounce on the ground under the K between the two kremlings, sometimes the banana bunch comes out and sometimes it doesn't.

I don't have conclusive proof here, but jumping on the Kremling when he is near the top of his jump gets me more consistent results.

I just had another amazing run that got ruined by missing that kremling in the last level. I've been practising for so many hours today

There are two ways to do this: the early roll or the late roll. The early roll is easier to pull off, but the late roll will give you a better boost of speed. The early roll works by rolling as soon as you reach the shaded area on the ground as indicated in the picture. The late roll is done in mid-air after the edge of the hill. If timed correctly, the late roll is faster.

Posted: 7/26/2004 7:20 AM

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alexpenev

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Hahaha, Michael... May I remind you I had a terrible Winky bonus myself, so don't complain about bad Winky bonuses :) How many hours have you played this now? 'Cos I've played it (all up) maybe 3. Who's owning whom? LOL.

Posted: 7/26/2004 6:59 PM

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I can do the winky room just fine on the console, but the keyboard is terrible. Sometimes Diddy will run through the room without jumping at all.

How many hours have you played this now? 'Cos I've played it (all up) maybe 3. Who's owning whom? LOL.

Hours? I reached 4000+ in 3 tries, and without the Winky bonus trick!! Now lets just ignore the fact that I've been playing all 40+ DKC levels for over a month now and assume instead that I did that on pure gaming instinct. ;)

Posted: 7/26/2004 7:28 PM

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alexpenev

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Ah yes, one time I ignored the bonus room trick and went into Orangutan Gang and got 4200 pts that way (I had missed the N in the water level, so it could have been 110 pts more). Problem being that there's not much to gain in the first half of Orangutan Gang and you don't really have enough time to reach any of the bonus rooms (maybe they're filled with bananas? or they might even be blocked off?) So the Winky room trick seems to win.

Posted: 7/26/2004 8:29 PM

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Michael_Fried

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May I remind you I had a terrible Winky bonus myself, so don't complain about bad Winky bonuses :) I was talking about the bonus room in the last level that you go through over and over. Anyway, there must be somewhere that I'm losing time because Penev made a few mistakes in his run and I didn't make any but in both our runs the timer stopped just as we were entering the bonus room, so I must be doing wrong that I don't realize. I'll upload my run in a few minutes so you can see it. Edit: Penev, would it be ok with you if I do a run in Zsnes so I can use autofire at the end to jump as early and low as possible each time I enter the bonus room, or would you consider that cheating? Edit 2: Here's my 4417 run: http://www.geocities.com/mk64god/dkccc4417-mjf.zip Hopefully someone will find something really stupid that I'm doing so I can fix it and crush Penev's score. Edit 3: Btw Penev, the reason I've been playing so long has nothing to do with me not being able to be consistent, it's the random things that keep messing me up. Recently almost all of my runs either get messed up in level 2 because the banana bunch doesn't show up (I thought I had figured that one out but apparently I just got lucky a few times in a row, I still mess up very often there), or because the bounce under the K in the last level doesn't work. I still haven't figured out what controls whether those two things work or not, so maybe if you know and you could tell me you might see me starting to beat my scores in 20-30 minutes. Edit 4: It's not fair, about 5 runs in a row just got ruined because the banana bunch in level 2 won't show up. *starts crying*

Posted: 7/26/2004 9:24 PM

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Deviance

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you're not doing anything stupid. The main difference is still that missed banana bunch by the K. You were 2 seconds ahead of Alex by the time you reached the Winky Bonus so you had time to pick it up even though it didn't appear in the best spot. You also didn't roll up the last upward slope in Winky's Walkway. To comment on the Winky bonus room, your form of jumping could be improved. You are jumping too high before landing on the crate. You're slowing down a lot before the jump too, which causes you to miss out on some horizontal distance. But I'll blame your keyboard for that.

It's not fair, about 5 runs in a row just got ruined because the banana bunch in level 2 won't show up. *starts crying*

Diddy needs to be in the air when the barrel runs over the hidden location of the banana bunch for it to appear. If he's touching any part of the ground it usually won't pop out.

Posted: 7/26/2004 9:32 PM

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You were 2 seconds ahead of Alex by the time you reached the Winky Bonus so you had time to pick it up even though it didn't appear in the best spot. If I picked it up I would have missed entering the bonus room since I just barely made it. Edit: That thing about Diddy needing to be in the air seems to work, now someone just needs to figure out that thing about the bounce under the K. It can't be height that controls it because there have been times when I've bounced off it when it was close to it's lowest point and I didn't hold down the jump button and the K still came out.

Posted: 7/26/2004 9:41 PM

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Deviance

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If I picked it up I would have missed entering the bonus room since I just barely made it.

As far as I see, the only thing that's really standing in your way to beating Alex is that bonus room. You had a two second advantage, so assuming that you don't ever pick up that banana bunch, you will still beat Alex by at least 40 points since he was at the winky entrance when his timer stopped. Get the jumping right, and the record is yours ;). Btw, what's your AIM screenname? It'll be faster to message on there.

Posted: 7/26/2004 9:45 PM
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Michael_Fried

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Do you think Penev would mind if I play in slow motion just for that one bonus room? Edit: Btw my screenname is mjf345. Edit 2: Btw, where do you get 40 points from? We both just barely made entering the bonus room when the timer stopped. Edit 3: I just got 4436 with a missed kremling in level 2. I also messed up really badly on one of the jumps in the bonus room at the end and lost about half a second so maybe I would have been able to jump on the Winky crate an extra time. Unless there are some strats that I don't know, I think my no save state potential is somewhere around 4460.

Posted: 7/26/2004 9:53 PM

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Deviance

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Btw, where do you get 40 points from? We both just barely made entering the bonus room when the timer stopped.

If I remember, you had 48 seconds remaining when you first reached the entrance and he had 46. Assuming you do the bonus room loop exactly as he did that would still leave you with an extra 2 seconds in the end, which is enough to enter the bonus room one last time.

Posted: 7/26/2004 10:08 PM

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Michael_Fried

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Assuming you do the bonus room loop exactly as he did that would still leave you with an extra 2 seconds in the end, which is enough to enter the bonus room one last time. I think the bonus room loop (including jumping on the Winky crate) takes slightly less than 5 seconds, so to go through an extra time would mean giving up points to save time somewhere else.

Posted: 7/26/2004 10:20 PM

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Deviance

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Just going through the entrance gives you 40 points. Alex's run stopped just as he was in front of the entrance, if he had 2 more seconds he could have walked into the winky room and would have got 40 more points just for doing that. You won't have time do entire loop again, but 2 seconds is enough time to "enter" the room once again, which is all you need.

Posted: 7/26/2004 10:30 PM

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Michael_Fried

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Entering the bonus room gives you 50 points. Also, I just checked and Penev just barely made the entrance as his time ran out, so he did get the 50 points. Right as the timer ran out his score went up from 4371 to 4421.