Here is Aquatic Ruin Zone of Blue Hedgehogs Can't Jump. Both acts are possible to complete without jumping. Please refer to the video's description if you have any further questions.
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Lol, I was sure it was possible to spin dash through those rising columns, but it’s not. The terrain there makes you rolling infinitely when you hit the column. Otherwise, it would be possible without Tails jumping.
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Emerald Hill Zone Act 1: 0
Emerald Hill Zone Act 2: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 1: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 2: 2
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 1: 0
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2: 0
Casino Night Zone Act 1: 1
Casino Night Zone Act 2: 0
Hill Top Zone Act 1: 1
Hill Top Zone Act 2: 3
Mystic Cave Zone Act 1: 7
Mystic Cave Zone Act 2: 5
Oil Ocean Zone Act 1: 4
Oil Ocean Zone Act 2: 3
Metropolis Zone Act 1: 10
Metropolis Zone Act 2: 1
Metropolis Zone Act 3: 0
Sky Chase Zone: 0
Wing Fortress Zone: 11
Death Egg Zone: 1
Total: 49 jumps
P.S.: Didn't count the times when Sonic was sliding off of something like vines and hooks.
Emerald Hill Zone Act 1: 0
Emerald Hill Zone Act 2: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 1: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 2: 2
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 1: 0
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2: 0
Casino Night Zone Act 1: 1
Casino Night Zone Act 2: 0
Hill Top Zone Act 1: 1
Hill Top Zone Act 2: 3
Mystic Cave Zone Act 1: 7
Mystic Cave Zone Act 2: 5
Oil Ocean Zone Act 1: 4
Oil Ocean Zone Act 2: 3
Metropolis Zone Act 1: 10
Metropolis Zone Act 2: 1
Metropolis Zone Act 3: 0
Sky Chase Zone: 0
Wing Fortress Zone: 11
Death Egg Zone: 1
Total: 49 jumps
P.S.: Didn't count the times when Sonic was sliding off of something like vines and hooks.
Very nice job, I couldn't do better I guess, but I have this little feeling... it needs a bit more speed, mainly after seing LTRP's runs. Good job anyway.
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Some of Tails jumps could probably be avoided by more agressive spindashing through objects.
If I have mood, I will make a slightly optimized version of this run.
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Some of Tails jumps could probably be avoided by more agressive spindashing through objects.
If I have mood, I will make a slightly optimized version of this run.
oh nice, I would like to help if I can... for more speed and for fun!
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Emerald Hill Zone Act 1: 0
Emerald Hill Zone Act 2: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 1: 0
Chemical Plant Zone Act 2: 2
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 1: 0
Aquatic Ruin Zone Act 2: 0
Casino Night Zone Act 1: 1
Casino Night Zone Act 2: 0
Hill Top Zone Act 1: 1
Hill Top Zone Act 2: 3
Mystic Cave Zone Act 1: 7
Mystic Cave Zone Act 2: 5
Oil Ocean Zone Act 1: 4
Oil Ocean Zone Act 2: 3
Metropolis Zone Act 1: 10
Metropolis Zone Act 2: 1
Metropolis Zone Act 3: 0
Sky Chase Zone: 0
Wing Fortress Zone: 11
Death Egg Zone: 1
Total: 49 jumps
P.S.: Didn't count the times when Sonic was sliding off of something like vines and hooks.
Entertaining, but the jump count is disingenuous. It should either count Tails too, not just Sonic, or the run should be done with Sonic alone.
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Razor_ua wrote:
Too boring... Collect some rings -> run anywhere like idiot -> collect some more rings -> run anywhere like idiot -> ...
When you are in rolling case or flying, you can move fast even when you are fat. And you can try to hit a monitor. This strategy can probably make the run significally faster.
Also that was some kind of a trolling post :-p
However, some months ago I made an attempt to make a regular TAS of Sonic 2 XL. I stucked on optimizing the loops, which probably does not mean that it cannot be done well.
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Too boring... Collect some rings -> run anywhere like idiot -> collect some more rings -> run anywhere like idiot -> ...
Disagree, I like collect rings, and collect rings is not run anywhere like idiot, it's choose the fastest, the best, and the most optimized way to collect all rings, all is calculated, all is plan because it's Tool-Assisted.
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Friends, by the way, we are discussing a hack in the original game’s thread… :)
Anyway, agree with feeuzz22, even Sonic 2 XL ring attack run may be surprisingly creative…
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Oh wow… This level wrap seems to me so obvious now… I wonder how didn’t I try it when I TASed this level…
And so Sonic has restored his status quo over Amy (my Amy TAS was 1 frame faster than Aglar’s result with Sonic).
(upd) it seems not to be possible for Amy to gain so huge speed there. It’s about 4500, right? Because there is also a slope which decelerates you, and your speed has to be over 4096 at the beginning of the level…
P.S.: TASed it a bit, and nearly got 4096 with Amy, but it took much longer route to make :( also it’s still less than enough to perform level wrap.
Are you sure it’s RTS?.. How you aligned yourself perfectly? And how the hell you tricked the air speed cap?..
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So the journey towards a new TAS has started...
WST wrote:
How you aligned yourself perfectly? And how the hell you tricked the air speed cap?
He performs a so called double jump (only possible with Sonic or Knuckles here I'm quite sure) where he lands immediately after the first one and then directly jumps again and thereby get two boosts, where the second one is very powerful. He kept the speed in air simply by hitting the ceiling.
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Well, then I got another question. This game was TASed by nitsuja, you, Sonikkustar and many others very experienced TASers, why didn’t anyone try so obvious thing before?
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WST wrote:
Well, then I got another question. This game was TASed by nitsuja, you, Sonikkustar and many others very experienced TASers, why didn’t anyone try so obvious thing before?
We're all humans who occasionally overlook things.
Well, then I got another question. This game was TASed by nitsuja, you, Sonikkustar and many others very experienced TASers, why didn’t anyone try so obvious thing before?
Just made a TAS which is unique (sort of). I made a GMV file that syncs both Sonic 2 and Sonic 3. Although this is short and the TAS itself is mediocre, I thought it was pretty cool.
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It’s not actually unique — the idea is really old, and there are some successful implementations of it, here is a good example. However, it seems to be the first TAS of this kind in Sonic TAS world.
I remember how a few weeks ago feos suggested a way of emulator development — making TAS editor a plugin compatible with any TAS emulator. It could allow making such TASes with ease, and even could make it possible to make a movie, which would sync on different platforms at the same time (if you bind the keys properly).
Anyway, nice and innovative work, friend :)
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