Topic by Graveworm

Posted: 6/7/2006 9:32 PM

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Graveworm

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Pressing down + a in Mega Man 3 while sliding will make Mega Man jump, so I guess progressing in Mega Man 3 will take a bit longer than in the other games, so don't worry about the length, and after all, it's only like 2 minutes between the published movies of 3 and 4. It's not that much shorter, and some parts of that game is going to take a bit longer. What I'm afraid is going to make this movie slow is that you have to shoot in different situations in all games, so you'll probably have to slow down to wait for shots to exit the screen at times.

FrostyTheDragon wrote:

I somehow imagine that using the exact same route as the standard TASes for each game isn't quite going to work.

Why is that? If you have the special weapons on each boss, it'll make boss fights faster and easier when having 3 other games to progress in at the same time.

Posted: 6/7/2006 9:42 PM

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Radz

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i will love to watch this thing. really a different and awesome idea.

Radz.

Posted: 6/7/2006 11:10 PM

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FrostyTheDragon

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Graveworm wrote:

Why is that? If you have the special weapons on each boss, it'll make boss fights faster and easier when having 3 other games to progress in at the same time.

Well, that's true, sure. The reason I brought up the thought of having to change the route is that some areas may have to be done in moments where the other three games are relatively quiet. Remember, DeHackEd, when doing his Mega Man X and X2 combo run, managed to coordinate a number of boss fights in one game to happen when the other couldn't benefit from input, and I think he had to fight two bosses at once only two times or something like that. I figure something related will happen here. Getting the jetski portion of Wave Man's stage to happen at just the right time sounds like an example of such (although I'm not entirely sure whether it'd be considered a quiet section or a demanding one). If they decide to ultimately add Mega Man 1 and 2 into this set, coordinating Quick Man's beam sections would be another, more obvious example.

Posted: 6/9/2006 1:42 PM

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Bag_of_Magic_Food

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This is tricky. But the pause screens are of different length and accept input at different speeds. Or you could switch weapons in one game when others don't accept input, such as during boss intros.

Right! And don't forget about lag frames!

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Posted: 6/10/2006 1:46 PM

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Vatchern

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im lazy to read this but, who exactly are the authors that are going to perform this?

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Posted: 6/10/2006 3:19 PM

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JXQ

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Holy hell Vatchern, just read some fucking text for once. Or at least check the first couple posts, or author. There's information available, there's no need to ask everyone restate it for the sake of your laziness.

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Posted: 6/10/2006 3:24 PM

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Graveworm

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For me it's easier to read the first post in a topic than writing a post of my own, especially since I'll have to read the reply too.

Posted: 6/10/2006 5:10 PM

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Sketchie

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JXQ wrote:

Holy hell Vatchern, just read some fucking text for once. Or at least check the first couple posts, or author. There's information available, there's no need to ask everyone restate it for the sake of your laziness.

No, no. Let the lazy people become even lazier until they forget how to breathe. You have to do that by answering and doing every single thing they ask for. That way we'd be rid of the world of lazy people forever. Mwahahahaha. On-topic: Wow, doing Mega Man 3, 4, 5 AND 6 all at once? I certainly hope my monitor is big enough to effectively show all of them playing at once! If you can pull this off, then props to you.

Posted: 6/10/2006 5:15 PM

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Vatchern

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JXQ wrote:

Holy hell Vatchern, just read some fucking text for once. Or at least check the first couple posts, or author. There's information available, there's no need to ask everyone restate it for the sake of your laziness.

This was highly inapproiate. I ask a simple question and get this as an answer. Also, good luck with this Angerfist + Baxter.

http://tasvideos.org/Vatchern.html

Posted: 6/10/2006 5:24 PM

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FractalFusion

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Graveworm wrote:

For me it's easier to read the first post in a topic than writing a post of my own, especially since I'll have to read the reply too.

Some people click on the last page of a topic, and thus don't see the first post. But I agree. At least everyone should look at the first post first.

Posted: 6/10/2006 5:40 PM

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moozooh

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Wait, could anyone remind me the names of those two who've planned to do this run? Oh wait, don't tell me — apparently, I'm too lazy to read your answer. I'm also against redundancy in forum topics. I'm also against redundancy in forum topics.

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Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.

Posted: 6/12/2006 9:31 PM

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Cardboard

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This will most likely look like you're blendering a couple of multicolored socks for 30 minutes and sound like having a bunch of coins in another blender. At the same time ... I say go for it. I already love this movie. Even if it's far from done.

Warp wrote:

omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!

Posted: 6/12/2006 9:38 PM

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AnS

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Well, guys, even with just 4 games in the pack you are going to make historical TAS. But don't overuse cheap tricks (I mean tricks that LOOK cheap, like playing half a level in first game when other games show some intro or menu screen), that's what ruins the external semblance of fantastic challenge of DualTASes. Such moments in MMX1+2 run made my friend think that double-speedrunning is possible even without tool-assistance ("you just need to plan your route, nothing superhuman") while I think the opposite.

Posted: 6/13/2006 4:18 AM

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FractalFusion

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AnS wrote:

Such moments in MMX1+2 run made my friend think that double-speedrunning is possible even without tool-assistance ("you just need to plan your route, nothing superhuman") while I think the opposite.

You must have read my mind. I had tried MMX1+2 and even MMX1+SMW without tool-assistance. In neither case was I able to pass the first levels in both games without dying.

Posted: 6/15/2006 7:20 AM

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Ersatz

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I'll beleive it when i see it

Posted: 6/15/2006 12:21 PM

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Nibelung

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Go for it, AngerFist! I'm already waiting this. Good luck o/

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Posted: 6/18/2006 7:49 PM

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AnS

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FractalFusion wrote:

I had tried MMX1+2 and even MMX1+SMW without tool-assistance. In neither case was I able to pass the first levels in both games without dying.

I think, it strongly depends on games you choose. For example, I tried Rockman + Rockin' Kats without saves and frame advance, and quite easily managed to walkthrough whole level (in Rockman) without dying (but still taking damage) - but I used a lot of chaep tricks (like using spin in RK to progress in Rockman) so I doubt this run was entertaining. From today's point of view it seems impossible to make anything really valuable without tools.

Posted: 6/18/2006 9:43 PM

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NMcCoy

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I passed SMB3-All Stars 1-1 and 1-2 and SMW Yoshi's Island 2 simultaneously without dying. That's as far as I got before things got awkward fast, though. Also, playing two copies of SMB3 with a deliberate desync was rather interesting.

Posted: 7/20/2006 10:56 PM

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Dark_Fulgore

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you this crazy one of doing a thing as that... but you are a great player... you will get...=D

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Posted: 7/24/2006 9:51 PM

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asker

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Dark Fulgore wrote:

you this crazy one of doing a thing as that... but you are a great player... you will get...=D

Couldn't agree more.

Posted: 7/24/2006 9:58 PM

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AngerFist

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Dark Fulgore wrote:

you this crazy one of doing a thing as that... but you are a great player... you will get...=D

I do have a partner on this big project you know :) Anyway, soon as Im done with Mega Man 3 (will soon begin working on the 7th stage; Snake Man and then Gemini Man left) Baxter and me have some serious route discussion ahead. Imagine how difficult that will be :( For instance, the longest Mega Man run is 4 (34:34) while the other runs are less than 32 minutes (except for Mega Man 5 which is currently 33 minutes long). So what we must do is, figure out a route for the other games to obviously "synchronize" them so they end at the same time when they are done OR simply finish each game with the same input and dont bother about this "synchronization". Edit: What me and Baxter agreed on is to play a bit slowly on Mega Man 3 and 6.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P

Posted: 7/25/2006 12:12 AM

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FractalFusion

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AngerFist wrote:

For instance, the longest Mega Man run is 4 (34:34) while the other runs are less than 32 minutes (except for Mega Man 5 which is currently 33 minutes long).

Of course the six-game (or four-game) TAS will be much longer than that! Look at DeHackEd's X & X2 run. It is 41 minutes, 9 minutes longer than the X2 run, which is 32 minutes and can be improved by at least half a minute.

AngerFist wrote:

Edit: What me and Baxter agreed on is to play a bit slowly on Mega Man 3 and 6.

Don't worry about it. Your plans will change quickly. :)

Posted: 7/25/2006 2:06 AM

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I also collected all of Zero's parts. It's not really a fair comparison. On the topic of endings, I suggest ignoring trying to sync them all up. You'll just give yourself an ulcer. Any hope of doing it would require massive planning of the games that just doesn't happen without a testrun, and even then stuff will happen. If anyone's wondering about AVI encoding, I already have a quad encoder, and it's demonstrated in the bigame thread. Angerfist: I wish you well on this suicidal run. You have more guts than me.

Posted: 7/25/2006 8:00 AM

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Baxter

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FractalFusion wrote:

Don't worry about it. Your plans will change quickly. :)

I agree, I don't think planning ahead too far is even possible.

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Posted: 8/9/2006 8:26 PM
(Edited: 8/23/2006 5:02 PM)

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AngerFist

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While Baxter is climbing on some mountain in Germany or in Switzerland, I'll try to figure out the route. So the issue was to try find a perfect route for the purpose of ending all games simultaneously. Below are the routes for Mega Man 3,4,5 and 6 and how long it took to complete each stage (approximately, I used the .avis as reference):


Mega Man 3:          Mega Man 4:         Mega Man 5:            Mega Man 6:

1. Gemini Man      1. Pharaoh Man        1. Star Man           1. Flame Man
(2:20)             (2:25)                (2:05)                (2:14)  

2. Needle Man      2. Bright Man         2. Gravity Man        2. Blizzard Man  
(1:46)             (2:36)                (1:51)                (2:01)

3. Snake Man       3. Ring Man           3. Gyro Man           3. Plant Man
(2:11)             (2:52)                (2:12)                (2:17)

4. Magnet Man      4. Dust Man           4. Charge Man         4. Tomahawk Man
(1:45)             (2:01)                (2:00)                (2:19)

5. Hard Man        5. Skull Man          5. Wave Man           5. Yamato Man
(1:53)             (2:04)                (2:03)                (2:01)

6. Top Man         6. Dive Man           6. Crystal Man        6. Knight Man
(1:51)             (2:05)                (2:02)                (2:15)

7. Shadow Man      7. Drill Man          7. Napalm Man         7. Centaur Man
(1:42)             (2:13)                (2:03)                (2:17)

8. Spark Man       8. Toad Man           8. Stone Man          8. Wind Man
(1:50)             (2:04)                (2:15)                (2:10)

Note: There is 1-2 second margin of error. Measurement: Besides stages 1 and 8, once the menu screen appeared until the next one was how I measured each stage. On another note, everytime Mega Man must go through a left-zone will most probably cause difficulties for us knowing that about 90% of all the zones requires you to move to the right.

Nitrogenesis wrote:

Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!

Arc wrote:

I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.

natt wrote:

I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it

Cooljay wrote:

Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P