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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:10 PM
Post subject: Idea: automatic wip youtube poster
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qFox
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While browsing the forum you see a lot of wips passing by. I often find myself curious to see what is shown in the run but not able to watch it due to not having a emulator or rom ready. What about a site that accepts wips for the earlier consoles (8bit/16bit and handheld of the same era), automatically creating a movie from it and posting it to youtube or google video's or whatever. I've never submitted anything to youtube so I don't know how hard it would be to automate that process, but I'd say it's all possible...
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:23 PM
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Brushy
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I've personally always been against posting TASes to Youtube and other sites like that, since that always makes people confused about TASing. Also, the AVI dumping would need several Gb's of free HDD space, fiddling with the emulators and fiddling with the encoder/movie editor so that it automatically adds the players name and the TAS-statements to the video. It's several times easier if you just downloaded the ROM and the emulator.
Posted: 8/2/2007 4:24 PM
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DeHackEd
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I could do it, no problem. An AVI producer I mean. You're subject to my rules for subtitles, and my ROM collection is quite small, but I could make it work. Not uploading to youtube though, for the same reasons guybrush suggested, plus I don't have a tool to do easy automated uploading.
Posted: 8/3/2007 6:55 PM
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qFox
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Didn't think it'd be hard :) I don't see the problem with youtube though. Posting wips is just explaining what you mean in your post. Following a link to youtube is far easier opposed to downloading a keyfile and loading it to an emulator and so forth. It'd be one site posting the messages, perhaps with a custom message from the OP (siteowner can permit users to prohibit spam or whatever). Posting a simple default message stating it's not 'really played' or a link or whatever would be sufficient. So what if people say it was cheated, it's a wip, I don't see the problem. The whole point is ease and laziness (oh and making it possible to watch for people missing roms, especially the more obscure ones or the hacked roms). If you remove the youtube part you might as well forget about it. Aside from that, the siteowner would get a large datatransfer increase. Why pay for bandwith if you can get google to pay for it ;)
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Posted: 8/5/2007 9:44 AM
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Brushy
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qFox wrote:
I don't see the problem with youtube though.
Then you must be blind. TASes on Youtube, people always post negative comments. That's bad publicity and I don't think Bisqwit wants any of it when it's easily avoidable by not posting any TASes to Youtube.
qFox wrote:
So what if people say it was cheated, it's a wip
That doesn't change anything. It's still a TAS.
qFox wrote:
The whole point is ease and laziness (oh and making it possible to watch for people missing roms, especially the more obscure ones or the hacked roms).
It's really not that hard to find some ROMs and play them in the emulator and people usually provide the hack files when they post a WIP or a TAS of it.
Posted: 8/6/2007 12:06 AM
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It's not hard, but it's not legal ...
Posted: 8/6/2007 12:23 AM
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Spacecow
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I think worrying about feedback by random users on youtube is a silly thing to do. WIPs would be viewed by, what, a hundred people if it's a popular game? This forum doesn't seem to have an awful lot of people hovering around it at any given moment. That said, we could always upload it somewhere where it's more difficult to randomly stumble upon. After some quick googling, Vimeo seems to have some privacy options available. Don't know what's actually offered as I'm too lazy to register at the moment, but if there's some easy way to put a video up there and block it from the general public but leave it open to anyone specifically following a link from this forum, it could be a viable alternative to youtube. Or someone with dedicated hosting can make their own flv hosting service :)
Posted: 8/10/2007 2:27 AM
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Chamale
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*cough* I notice that when I posted the idea, the general attitude was "do it yourself". Here, it's "Oh, sure, glad to". Google Video, BTW, has a privacy option.
Posted: 8/10/2007 10:51 AM
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qFox
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Heh, sorry :p But if google video has a privacy option, wouldn't that solve any issues? I mean, I don't care whether it's YouTube or Google Video's or Video'R'Us whatever...
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Posted: 8/10/2007 11:12 AM
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Chamale wrote:
I notice that when I posted the idea, the general attitude was "do it yourself". Here, it's "Oh, sure, glad to".
You notice wrong. Nobody here has been very supportive of the idea this time around, either.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
Posted: 8/10/2007 1:37 PM
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ZeXr0
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But it sure would be nice to be able to allow only member of this site on google video to view the WIP. It would remove the problem of people calling "CHEATER" and such. But is there any other problems related with this idea ?
Posted: 8/10/2007 8:26 PM
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I've personally always been against X, since that always makes people confused about X. The ignorant will always be ignorant. :-)
Posted: 8/11/2007 12:39 AM
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Chamale wrote:
*cough* I notice that when I posted the idea, the general attitude was "do it yourself". Here, it's "Oh, sure, glad to". Google Video, BTW, has a privacy option.
Well, back then, it was only one person asking for it. Now two people have asked for it. Much greater strength in numbers there! Back by popular demand, backed by popular demand! And do you need me to explain why it would be stupid to make Youtube videos private
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Posted: 8/11/2007 10:02 AM
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qFox
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I think they can figure it out for themselves baggie ;) But I guess there will always be the people who think it's fine and don't really care what the (ignorant...) mainstream thinks about TAS and the people that do mind the general oppinion of TAS. I mean, I can understand to some extend that one wouldn't want to get all kinds of negative replies to a TAS you worked on for so long, on the other hand you could just ignore all those general "its a cheater" replies, no? Anyways, I would set it up but my linux knowledge is limited as is my bandwidth and I don't know whether any emulator can directly create a FLV (I think this is flash video?) file to upload to whatever, so I can't do that part. The rest isn't very hard.... But I'm not going to do it when so many people are against it. I mean... not worth it.
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Posted: 8/28/2007 11:50 PM
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I really like the idea as I just had the same "problem". Lots of nice tricks for Zelda and Super Metroid, but no ROM or emulator on this computer. Automated AVI making is already easily possible with the UNIX snes9x version and I guess DeHacked could setup within 2 hours or less a modification to his cgi script to automatically create AVIs for ROMs available. Now add that to make a FLV: http://jameser.blogspot.com/2006/06/tip-3-creating-flash-video-with-free.html via mencoder and / or ffmpeg. (One the AVI is made this is just one additional command) Download a free / open source flash player (you don't need to use the one from YouTube) and supply it for each video additionally to the Download link. Now we only need some webspace to upload, because of course the FLV will generate much higher traffic than just the smv or other emulator video files. So besides Webspace and good will of DeHacked I see no technical problems and so also no "but youtube users won't like it." problem. cu Fabian
Posted: 8/28/2007 11:54 PM
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Chamale
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? You can upload AVIs to Google Video, and make it so they are only viewable if seen from a link on tasvideos.
Posted: 8/29/2007 12:13 AM
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Twelvepack
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Wait, why do we care if random idiots post bad things about TASes on youtube? Just post them, and leave them public. It really, really could not matter less.
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Posted: 8/29/2007 12:50 AM
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Bag_of_Magic_Food
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And if you really want to censor your comments like that, the author of the video can remove them.
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Posted: 8/29/2007 8:35 AM
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qFox
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Well I did see another TAS video a while ago with the you're a cheater comments, even while tas as written all over it. I guess there are a lot of really ignorant people out there. One can indeed wonder whether or not that type of publicity is wanted. On the other hand, those people would not even get to know the awesomeness of TAS if not posted there. And what's the worse that could happen? It's not like the police will bust Bisqwit for hosting a site "that CHEATSSS!!!11". Fabianx, webspace is not really the problem. It's bandwidth. If I see the traffic coming from youtube when watching a simple 2 minute video, even in the FLV format, I can't imagine what kind of traffic numbers it reaches on an hourly basis, let alone daily. The site we're talking about obviously won't get the same number of visitors, but will probably still be popular and generate a lot of traffic. Traffic, unfortunatly, is still expensive. If DeHackEd will create such a bot though, I'd be happy to help on a googlevideo/youtube posting bot.
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Posted: 8/29/2007 10:28 AM
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I support the posting of TAS videos on youtube. ridiculous to claim otherwise. just an example: rising tempest / Jack, does it. labels them correctly. and gets very positive feedback. To think we need an elitist attitude or hide our work from the major public in fear that they "will never understand" what they are looking at, is far and large an incongruous argument. jesus christ on a pogo stick
Posted: 8/29/2007 2:01 PM
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Brushy
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Ersatz wrote:
To think we need an elitist attitude or hide our work from the major public in fear that they "will never understand" what they are looking at, is far and large an incongruous argument.
Have you seen any of the TASes that were on Youtube at some point, but were deleted? They were full of comments like "ZOMG CHEATER LAME I'LL DO SOMETHING NASTY TO YOUR DOG!". If majority of the Youtube audience thinks that way, it's not very good publicity, in my opinion.
Posted: 8/29/2007 2:03 PM
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Guybrush wrote:
Ersatz wrote:
To think we need an elitist attitude or hide our work from the major public in fear that they "will never understand" what they are looking at, is far and large an incongruous argument.
Have you seen any of the TASes that were on Youtube at some point, but were deleted? They were full of comments like "ZOMG CHEATER LAME I'LL DO SOMETHING NASTY TO YOUR DOG!". If majority of the Youtube audience thinks that way, it's not very good publicity, in my opinion.
I stand as witness to this claim. I have seen it many times.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
Posted: 8/29/2007 2:05 PM
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LSK
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We could lock the WIPs from comments.
Posted: 8/29/2007 2:07 PM
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Brushy
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LSK wrote:
We could lock the WIPs from comments.
That doesn't make the viewers go away or stop them thinking like they think.
Posted: 8/29/2007 3:17 PM
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Guybrush wrote:
That doesn't make the viewers go away or stop them thinking like they think.
Policing other people's thoughts is probably a bad idea. All we need do is label them for what they are, and if there is still misunderstanding, it is only because of laziness on the part of the viewer.
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