This is my improvement to Walker Boh's NES "warpless" Rygar; I save 14169 frames (283.38s) for a final time of 15:43.32, again using the PAL ROM.
One of the glitchiest games ever, now even more brokener! This run benefits from a wide variety of improvements. I use a different route which powers Rygar up in Lapis 1st, saving a lot of time in early boss battles. New shortcuts in Garloz, Sagila's cave, Garba and especially the Sky Castle saved a huge amount of time; some of these were made possible by new grapple weapon glitches. I die once to save a long trek in Garloz. I also used pause/unpause to manipulate (or eliminate) the projectiles fired by some bosses. No snails were harmed in the making of this run.

Game objectives

  • Emulator used: FCEU 0.98.16 (PAL Emulation)
  • Aims for fastest time
  • Takes damage to save time
  • Does not use warps
  • Massively abuses programming errors in the game
  • Manipulates luck
  • Uses death as a shortcut

Rom Choice

The Sky Castle shortcut saves 100 seconds and is only possible in PAL. End of story.

Glitch Glossary

As far as I know, I discovered the grapple-release, floor-run, and wiggle-spawn glitches; the rest have appeared in previous runs, especially those by Walker Boh.
  • Grapple-fall: throwing the grapple just before falling to either climb down or fall through the bottom and climb through the ceiling
  • Grapple-release: transition from climbing to standing when Rygar would otherwise be stuck on the grapple; this new glitch is performed by holding left or right along with turbo B for several frames
  • Floor-run: grapple-falling or floating until stuck inside a floor allows Rygar to run with his head stuck in the floor. This is important because while running (as opposed to falling) in the floor, Rygar can still jump and use the grapple weapon.
  • Wiggle-spawn: going back and forth by a pixel or two and spawning a new enemy each time; used for tone accumulation in Lapis and Dorago's palace
  • Air-walk: duck-and-move, duck-and-move repeatedly; allows Rygar to walk on air
  • Air-float: holding turbo-B while walking off a cliff; Rygar floats slowly downward

Route Comments

The Beginning to Lapis

The run starts out identical to my warp glitch run. See those comments for details; the key is that when I kill that rolling enemy over and over again I'm actually spawning 4 of them on top of each other to rack up tone (weapon power) very quickly. Surprisingly, my calculations showed that the optimum amount of tone to accumulate here was the same for both runs. One minor change is that I start "attack and assail", which hits everything on the screen for ten swings, 2 hits earlier on the robots because only 5 hits are useful for Belzar.
The Belzar fight is slower than in the previous run because I'm fighting him first instead of fifth, but the fight is very tightly optimized. I walk back and forth through him mostly for show. Unlike previous runs, I never jump once I'm near the sidescrolling bosses (except Ligar, where it's required to hit him) because Rygar's jumps are big and floaty and waste a lot of time above the boss' hitbox. I also get him to skip throwing one of his projectiles by pausing/unpausing for a few frames. I use this technique sparingly in the run as it is often necessary to pause for up to 16 frames to get the desired behavior, but it's invaluable, especially for Ligar.

Eruga

The levels are several seconds faster due to the one-hit smashiness of my powered-up diskarmor. The boss fight lasts only a handful of frames longer than it would take to run across the room. I jump while approaching Eruga because while in the air you can attack while still moving forward.

Sagila

Bad luck costs me a few frames having to take an extra jump and wait for a fireball while on the wind pulley. The shortcuts I take use both grapple-fall and grapple-release glitches discussed above. The first grapple-drop I do, where I float down across the pit first, may look slower than just jumping across the pit and climbing down normally, but it's not because then you have to climb all the way to the floor on the next screen, which is slower by maybe half a second. Sagila also goes down very quickly due to greatly increased tone.

Dorago

En route to Dorago I take a new shortcut across the grass to save a few seconds. Dorago's palace itself is lamentably unglitchy, but I did find a sweeeet way to abuse the spawning of those crawling doglike creatures (CDC's). Using the 'wiggle-spawn' up to five of them spawn on top of each other; they're worth 15 tone apiece and have very short invincibility which makes them ideal for tone accumulation. Alas, I only kill a few of them as I'm almost at full tone by this point, but if someone ever finds a way to reach Dorago's palace without the wind pulley and crossbow, this could be a big time-saver.
Using attack and assail on Dorago allows me to score the first few hits earlier, with a net savings of about 1s. Because only 4 "attack and assail" hits are useful to save time, I start it earlier to save a few frames killing CDC's and trees. The Dorago fight is otherwise straightforward; dying afterwards saves about a minute of backtracking en route to Garba. Killing Dorago puts my hit power at 124 points/swing; the max is 127, but 124 kills all remaining enemies on my route with the minimal number of swings.

Garba

I tested exhaustively for ways to use the grapple weapon glitches to speed the ascent up Gran Mountain to get up to the Tower. The efforts were unsuccessful, but did lead to the discovery of the "grapple release" glitch so useful for Sagila's Cave and Garba. Taking a speed boost from the falling bird is what allows me to jump off the second bird to save a rope climb, saving about 50 frames.
My strategy in the tower is dramatically different from Walker's, because I don't need to kill the snails for tone and can use the grapple release glitch to ascend (killing the snails causes a rope to appear; trying to use the normal grapple fall-through-the-floor trick results in getting stuck in the ceiling). The part where I run with my head stuck in the ceiling (my favorite part of the run, btw) requires falling straight down with the grapple weapon until I stop. Attempting to move forward before "landing" gets me stuck in the ceiling in the "falling" rather than "running" state, which makes it impossible to throw the grapple weapon again to escape upwards later.
The boss, DeathPigor is difficult to optimize because to kill him as close to the door as possible requires using grapple-release, air-walk, and air-float while delivering the last few hits.

Sky Castle

The first thing to mention here is that I save about 10 seconds climbing up the tower to get to the sky castle by repeatedly using grapple-fall rather than climbing all the way up as the current run does.
The sky castle shortcut uses the same sort of glitch that allows taking shortcuts in Garloz. I found it using a low-tech version of bisqbot: set emulation speed to 800%, mash the d-pad and turbo buttons, and observe for unusual behavior. In doing so it emerged that the lower left corner of the castle has a small cleft (unlike in Dorago's palace, where the corners are squared off) which can be exploited to run directly to Ligar's lair, saving over a minute and a half.
The power-up spell is useful for Ligar because it gives improved range, making it much easier to dodge his pizzas and still attack. However, manipulating the requisite triple-star proved impossible -- Rygar starts with zero mind points after dying. The same applies for attack and assail, which Walker's run uses; it would save about 2s, but there's no way to get the needed 5 mind points. The Ligar battle did benefit significantly from using pause-unpause to skip the occasional pizza delivery.
For comparison among Ligar fights in the various runs, I look at the average interval between hits. Walker's was 33.8f/hit, with power-up and attack and assail cast; Cardboard's achieved 41f/hit without spells; my time is 31.9f/hit, also without spells. If one considers 30f/hit, Ligar's minimum invincibility time, the fight could theoretically be improved by about 61 frames...give it a try!
Finally, I finish the game with one life point left; I didn't find a useful place to take more damage. Speed boosts in Rygar net up to 10 frames.
I mentioned above that no snails were killed in the making of this run, but I do go back after the run is finished, kill them all, and have a big escargot party. Oh, and I eat the dove from the ending, too.

Suggested Screen-shot

Frame 38715.

Future Improvements

The run could benefit from better manipulation to get triple-stars and then use "attack and assail" to score the first hit on Eruga, Sagila and Ligar a bit earlier. As has been noted by previous Rygar TAS'ers, though, such manipulation is quite laborious, and total time savings would be a few seconds at most. A faster ascent to the Tower of Garba from Garloz would be awesome, but I convinced myself that it is impossible...prove me wrong!

Truncated: Splendid. Accepting this improvement.
Bisqwit: Processing for publication.


Post subject: Re: #1957: Lord Tom's NES Rygar in 15:43.32
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Warp wrote:
I suppose it depends a lot on how you used the death for the shortcut.
In this run, death is used to return to somewhere previously visited, instead of means to glitch Rygar somewhere where he couldn't normally go.
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Comicalflop wrote:
Bisqwit wrote:
Xkeeper wrote:
This run is boring. However, only if watched in long bursts. I find it becomes immensely enjoyable if you take a break from it every 5 minutes or so to talk on IRC for about 30 seconds, then resume the movie.
That's what it must be like to be ADHD, I guess.
Not everyone who has ADHD has trouble watching long movies. I always am watching movies of great length all the time. In fact, I find it hard how people do get bored of movies longer than 5 minutes, even though I too have ADHD. Just like people are unique, ADHD is unique with each person.
I can watch long movies as well. I'll only stop if something else needs my attention, e.g. laundry or time-critical whateverage. This movie is an exception and I am not exactly sure how to react to Bisqwit's overgeneralization...
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It still baffles me why hacks and cheats aren't accepted because "the game must be real", "played with authentic hardware", "familiar to the audience", and then all concentration and work on this game go to the broken PAL version which doesn't have the same physics as the REAL GAME.
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Boco wrote:
It still baffles me why hacks and cheats aren't accepted because "the game must be real", "played with authentic hardware", "familiar to the audience", and then all concentration and work on this game go to the broken PAL version which doesn't have the same physics as the REAL GAME.
I hope that by "REAL GAME" you're referring to the arcade game it was ported from, and not something stupid like Japanese NES Rygar ROM. :P
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Boco wrote:
It still baffles me why hacks and cheats aren't accepted because "the game must be real", "played with authentic hardware", "familiar to the audience", and then all concentration and work on this game go to the broken PAL version which doesn't have the same physics as the REAL GAME.
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I hope that by "REAL GAME" you're referring to the arcade game it was ported from, and not something stupid like Japanese NES Rygar ROM. :P
But everything is better in Japan! Right?
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This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [1109] NES Rygar "no warp glitch" by Lord_Tom in 15:43.32
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I'm going to go ahead and nominate this TAS for a star. Absolutely amazing work, top-notch play, really cool glitches, fun to watch the whole way through, and an insane 5 minute improvement over the published run. I actually said "wow" out loud several times while watching. :)
Post subject: Re: #1957: Lord Tom's NES Rygar in 15:43.32
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Sorry for the long time to reply, I didn't realize people were still discussing this submission.
Warp wrote:
However, what I'm thinking is whether it's reasonable to use death as a shortcut in a warpless run... (I also cannot help to feel that using death as a shortcut was a "cheap" trick to get a much better time than walker boh, who made his run with the mindset that using death as a shortcut is not ok in a warpless run.)
After beating Dorago, I jump into the water to kill myself and save an event-free backtrack to the door between Garloz and Gran Mountain. As stated in the submission, this death abuse saves about a minute. You can call it a "cheap trick" if you like, but I don't see a huge difference between improving a movie by 4:43 vs by 3:43. I simply made the judgement that the community would prefer a movie that was a minute shorter rather than spend a minute watching Rygar run in the desert. And based on the apparent prevalence of ADHD among site-goers, this decision may well have saved lives...;) Andypro: Thanks, glad you liked it so much, though the star system is on hiatus.