The real trouble is that it isn't listed as obsoleting anything... this seems like the worst thing that could be done.

the horror the horror the horror!™

5 runs for one game? Jesus, its not that much fun to watch.

For some it is, and most likely at least one category will be obsoleted by this run sooner or later.

There's a bunch of movies for games that are "fun to watch for some" but have never been published at all. Which is not to say that there can't be 5 SM movies, only that that is not a good argument given existing precedents.

I was not arguing for the continued existence of 5 Super Metroid categories, just stating the obvious.

While playing the movie file in the emulator, after Samus gets the Super Missile in Brinstar, and she enters the save room, the Start/Status/Map screen comes up, and you can see the key presses, but it still stays on that screen, and doesn't exit from there. I'm playing it on both the [JU] and [U] versions, and it messes up in the same place. Any help in correcting this¿

While playing the movie file in the emulator, after Samus gets the Super Missile in Brinstar, and she enters the save room, the Start/Status/Map screen comes up, and you can see the key presses, but it still stays on that screen, and doesn't exit from there. I'm playing it on both the [JU] and [U] versions, and it messes up in the same place. Any help in correcting this¿

Use Snes9x rerecording 1.43+ v10, not v9. In v10, the recording can utilize a soft reset of the game (the equivalent of pushing the reset button on the console), which is used right after the save point you mention. I don't know why it's used, but it has something to do with the massive X-ray beam glitch you'll see later. EDIT: Actually, after reading the thread from Metroid 2002, the save then reset thing had to do with the Mother Brain skip (same goes for the death).

Good Lord!! It worked after I got the updated lator. I watched it twice, that was awesome. I never knew the NES Metroid door glitch was in there. Damn, I liked watching that.

About this SM obsoletion issue, since I never actually said anything, my position is summed up by herooftheday and alden. I'm not a fan of preferential treatment (real or perceived, this is what hurts or would hurt the site most), and I feel not obsoleting the 14% category would clearly demonstrate that, but it's not a big deal either way. The only thing I think is important is that visitors (most of whom only watch AVIs) are able to access runs that they would like to watch.

I see the logic in it, but to me it is far more reasonable to list any% if time was the main objective. If low% is distinct from that, it may deserve its own category, but this is no longer the case.

I'm not disagreeing, I just want to understand what you're saying. So if someone sets out to make a low% as an objective, and unwittingly ends up producing something faster than the existing any%, then it should be listed as low% since that was the objective? And the same movie, only with the pre-hand knowledge that it will be faster, should be listed as any%? As a tangent, I think there's an inherent, fundamental difference in philosophy. TAS's are more engineered, and (unassisted) speedruns are more performed, so you can go by objectives/goals for TAS's, whereas the only reasonable thing to do with speedruns is to go by the results. For example, we don't have "death abuse" per se anymore, simply "includes deaths." The reason is that we can't measure intent, only results. Otherwise the situation could happen where someone would like to suicide as fast as possible, say to refill ammo, but has to make it look accidental? On the other hand, a TAS would never have this problem since every death is obviously intentional.

As a tangent, I think there's an inherent, fundamental difference in philosophy. TAS's are more engineered, and (unassisted) speedruns are more performed, so you can go by objectives/goals for TAS's, whereas the only reasonable thing to do with speedruns is to go by the results.

this is the whole point. This accounts for the difference between SDA and what needs to happen here. In a tas, low% category should only exist if its not the same as any%.

neat run! edit: also here's an interesting bit of information: kejardon and I were on ZSNES netplaying when we discovered the x-ray climb. he was showing me his arsenal of neat tricks (he doesn't post a lot of them because most are eye-candy), one of which was him going through a transition and wall jumping/getting stuck in the door. later on, we were at crocomire, and he was describing to me why that energy tank wasn't obtainable; even if it was, he described the problem with exiting the room (since we were trying to improve upon the NBMB run thus being unable to kill crocomire). he showed me that crocomire charges you actually INTO the spikes on the left wall before backing off a little bit. when stuck in the spikes, i figured out that we could climb up by the crouch x-ray stand method, something he told me that he thought about but never tried because he thought it wouldn't work. soon, we found out that using the door trap glitch from early, we could climb the wall of any room practically (given it had to be a door facing rightward), and he proceeded to explain to me how the BTS system works in Super Metroid; the secret worlds in SM if you will. it's pretty darn interesting, but rather complicated, so i'll just say in simple terms: when you climb high enough, you'll enter "rooms" scattered with random (sort of) tiles and random (sort of) room transitions, but usually conforming to the tile boundaries of either the room you're in or surrounding rooms. e.g. in this run, while in the statue room, samus climbed up through the ceiling (appearing at the bottom) many times. the first time you see samus appear at the bottom, if you looked at the map, it would say you're in the room above the statue room, and so on. also, you may be wondering why the speed runners saved in veg. brinstar and reloaded? that's because it changes the out of room data (the BTS data outside the statue room), so that there will be an elevator transition leading to tourian that samus can use. finally, kej and I originally tried this the first night (after many, many other things like skipping croc and getting the grap, kraid's e-tank, etc.etc. that night was a blast)! the only problem we encountered is that there wasn't an elevator transition anywhere we climbed. how did we know this? kej had a program that showed the BTS data of the rooms we were in, and color coded/numbered them to show us what kind of tiles were in the "secret worlds". kej. knew that different BTS data was loaded depending on where you come from (brinstar save room, norfair save room, etc.), but we ended up calling it a night after kej posted everything on metroid2002's forums. so, tldr: kej. is my hero, and this run is a piece of history for all metroid fans. :) congratulations cpadolf and hero of the day!

Wow, I would love to be able to watch a glitchout session like that. Sounds like you had a lot of fun :)

Has any formal decision been made as to whether there should continue to be 5 runs for this game?