Topic by Truncated

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:17 PM

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Truncated

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>Also, about the Fan Fiends in the Air Man stage...I notice you spend a bit of time fighting them. Wouldn't it be faster just to scroll them off the screen? Hm. In my experience, that wasn't possible. You can back off so that they disappear, but as soon as you go a bit to the right again, they're back. But trying it now, after them dis- and reappearing a few times by scrolling back and forth, I managed to get one of them to disappear when I walked to the right. Perhaps it can be done consistently?

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:20 PM

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Shinryuu

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Really.. i think you disappeared final enemy ? in mm2 (USA) version.. you can do this disappearing trick easily.. =D

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:32 PM

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Shinryuu

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yeah.. i was able to get Final Fan Fiend disappear.. but i needed to get bird around + make some lag here

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:33 PM

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kolechovski

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So what do you think...will it be worth it in the TAS? Even if not in every area, I saw at least one area where it should be a help.

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Posted: 2/22/2006 8:37 PM

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Shinryuu

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hmm.. i need to see how Truncated did it.. on my movie it just takes time.. but i'll test few things now

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:47 PM

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It took time for me to do it too. I was just testing if it was at all possible. And I don't know what makes it happen sometimes, but lag might well be the answer. Is it easy to do the dissappearing trick in MM2, you say? That might even warrant a switch (trick which is not available in one version is a good enough reason says the rules page).

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:49 PM

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Shinryuu

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Yeah... you should try to make disappearing trick with MM2 (USA) version.. or just my usa version is hacked ? you just need 3 shots and turn back a little and enemy disappears.. if im 100% right

Posted: 2/22/2006 8:55 PM

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kolechovski

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IIRC, I may have even done it without lag...suddenly turning back and forth a few times right when it appears. I don't remember the details, but it was rather doable without much trouble.

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Posted: 2/22/2006 8:58 PM

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Shinryuu

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http://rapidshare.de/files/13896983/Disappearingtheenemywithlag-Shinryuu.avi.html "hope this link works" that was my result... and it takes too much time to get air fiends disappear with "lag" .. and i tried to turnback & forward every frame before.. and air fiend didn't disappeared :( can you send you movie files in (FCM or FMV) format ?

Posted: 2/22/2006 9:06 PM
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kolechovski

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Replicated on Rockman 2, though different... http://www.geocities.com/kolechovski/fanfiend.zip this time, the birdies made it disappear while it was on screen... oh, I also forgot to mention, on Rockman 2, that scroll on-and-off thing didn't work for me either. As for the turn-around way of doing it, I also remember being blown until it disappeared, then quickly running forward, but that doesn't seem to work here, either. Well, Bablo, thanks for the link...too bad this thing doesn't have the needed codec, and since it's a lab computer, I can't install it.

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Posted: 2/22/2006 9:18 PM

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Bablo

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Or download it from here.

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Posted: 2/22/2006 9:25 PM

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Shinryuu

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Thanks Balbo :)

Posted: 2/23/2006 5:44 AM

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Posted: 2/24/2006 6:18 PM

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kolechovski

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I did some more checking on that Fan Fiend glitch...turns out that the left-right movement has no effect on it...instead, it's always something with those birds, as they're always on the screen when the Fan Fiends disappear. I've also found some other bugs, none of which are useful in a TAS, while I was making damage tables for my web site. The first I've found was a very long way to kill the wall monster at the end of Level 2, by tricking it into going in the pit. I also found in doing so, not only do you appear one screen above where you schould when you die off the top of the screen, but you also end up there when you teleport up off the top. The second...I don't know what happened. I was updating my save state as I went along to make it easier to do the damage table thingy. When I reloaded from it upon entering level 3, all the graphics got glitched. They corrected themselves after beating level 3. I am wondering if the savestate being made during a screen transition had anything to do with it. Does anyone know why this happened? The final bug I found was during the Heat Man battle in level 5. By now, you likely know that Crash Bombs aren't a good weapon against him. I got some strange reactions when I used them on him after he got hit. Hitting him with Crash Bombs right after a normal hit causes him to reset his flaming animation. Hitting him when he shoots towards you seems to confuse him, as he starts zipping back and forth, even into the walls. Examples of all bugs can be found in the link below. They're Mega Man 2, Nesticle videos. http://www.geocities.com/kolechovski/mm2/morebugs.zip

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Posted: 3/9/2006 5:43 PM

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Hey guys, I've got a slight bug thingy to show here...nothing special, but it shows that the fireballs aren't a solid red like one might think they are...instead they depend on Mega Man's color. I've made a few vids in level 5 to show these. Also included is a minor bug that allows you to repeat Quick Man's dying animation, and a graphical bug from when you cream Flash Man when he launches the Time Freeze. I was going to include pics for you non-Nesticle users, but I'm out of time right now...maybe tomorrow I'll have them ready. http://www.geocities.com/kolechovski/mm2/level5.zip edit-Well, thanks to computer problems, I ain't gonna have those pics until 2 weeks from now. You'll have to wait.

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Posted: 3/13/2006 12:21 PM

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parrot14gree

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hi,I'm first time to post the article. :) and I got some problem in MM2. url: http://d12.yousendit.com/D/2P4VAVVMXEAJJ2CKY1TMJRSUK5/megaproblem2.fcm it's .fcm format. in the movie,I'm in the ceiling,and I know how to move. but why can I go to the next screen?

Posted: 3/13/2006 12:31 PM

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parrot14gree wrote:

in the movie,I'm in the ceiling,and I know how to move. but why can I go to the next screen?

You need to face to the right exactly at the moment you hit the screen right edge. This will enable the screen to scroll. Otherwise, you move to the next screen without the screen following you.

Posted: 3/13/2006 1:45 PM

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ya~I got it. appreciation for your answer. :)

Posted: 3/14/2006 11:21 PM

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MM2 interested me with found the glitchs. it looks magic,amazed. when I saw the MM2 movie(edit by Morimoto and FinalFighter),I can't believe it.so cool! FinalFighter performs a nice play,and I want to be some one like he. but now,unfortunate,I have some problems in the game. 1.http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01MNGN9EWZ04G1COT51LK8A6DC in the movie,I cant's go to next screen in the top ceiling. 2.picture:http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ANR8DBBM4AHR1OOH6VVCVOSXU If I can in the ceiling(picture A point),how to go to B point?still press up key?

Posted: 3/15/2006 7:55 AM

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parrot14gree wrote:

1.http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=01MNGN9EWZ04G1COT51LK8A6DC in the movie,I cant's go to next screen in the top ceiling. 2.picture:http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ANR8DBBM4AHR1OOH6VVCVOSXU If I can in the ceiling(picture A point),how to go to B point?still press up key?

1. You must stand further to the right. You can even have half of Rockman outside the wall if you like. 2. Hold Right to prevent Rockman moving horizontally. Press Up (it will make Rockman stop climbing, because there's nothing to climb), then release Up and press Up again to grab the ladder from screen bottom. Possibly, when you release Up, you must also press A, but I don't remember if this is the case.

Posted: 3/15/2006 2:30 PM

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Although cna't try it successful in 100%,I still feel happy. Thanks to bisqwit.

Posted: 3/24/2006 5:10 PM

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kolechovski

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parrot, could you repost those? I'd like to see them, but the 7-day limit has passed and those links expired.

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Posted: 3/27/2006 7:38 PM

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parrot14gree

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kolechovski wrote:

parrot, could you repost those? I'd like to see them, but the 7-day limit has passed and those links expired.

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XV2RW5ENWKQR0EQ560YCYKHEA no new bugs in those movies,i just want to know that how to correct go to the top ceiling in the next screen. pardon me for reposting to you so late.

Posted: 3/30/2006 8:05 PM

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kolechovski

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IIRC, once you're up off the screen and standing on solid material, jump twice, then try to climb.

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Posted: 4/9/2006 7:38 PM

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Just saw the new movie from Bisqwit and Shinryuu. Awesome work mates! I was wondering though. I don't know the rules of the wall omission thingie. But in wood man's level where those chickens run around. Would it possible to travel all the way in the floor instead of the ceiling, or is that impossible?