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Posted: 11/17/2008 7:24 PM
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moozooh
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alden wrote:
My point is, more movies should be published, perhaps with encodes being an optional step. If people want a giant load of SM movies, great. Make a page devoted to them. Have the any and 100% in the SNES section. Publish movies that 2/3 of people like. If no one wants to encode, fine. If enough people want an encode, someone will take pity on them, or perhaps someone new will try to take it upon themselves.
That pretty much echoes mine and several others' sentiments from, like, 2006. ;(
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Posted: 11/17/2008 7:38 PM
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alden
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Just keeping the dream alive, I guess...
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Posted: 11/17/2008 8:03 PM
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Ferret_Warlord
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Well, movies in the past have been published without an AVI/MKV. The original Gunstar Heroes movie didn't have one because such a file wouldn't do the game justice with the encoding techniques that were then standard. If a game nowadays is giving us a similar hassle, why not give it similar treatment?
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Posted: 11/18/2008 1:16 AM
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Xkeeper
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alden wrote:
My point is, more movies should be published, perhaps with encodes being an optional step.
I would say that any non-obsoleting movie that is played well should be published, largely ignoring the "entertainment" factor if it isn't exceedingly bad (i.e., enjoyable for those who like the game) But not optional encoding. I think they may just need encoders who are willing to do other games. I've brought this up several times, and offered to assist, although my various setups have been suboptimal for encoding. Though ah this point, I have gotten much better and only would need some general guidance before doing it. ... But I digress. I've been pushing for more movies of other games for a while (though less so recently, burned out). The drop of non-obsoleting publications isn't good. And the mentality of "I shouldn't do game X I know of, because almost nobody has even heard of X" is not good either. (For what it's worth, some of my favorite movies on this site were ones I had never heard of/played)
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Posted: 11/18/2008 2:15 AM
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mmbossman
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Xkeeper wrote:
But I digress. I've been pushing for more movies of other games for a while (though less so recently, burned out). The drop of non-obsoleting publications isn't good.
Of the past 75 publications (1223-1148), 36 have been movies that have not obsoleted a previously published run. True, it may not be close to the levels of new material from 2004, but your perceived drop in non-obsoleting publications is somewhat exaggerated. EDIT: Also, an additional 14 movies from the same span have only 2 entries in the obsoletion chain (i.e. the recently published movie, and the original entry). EDIT2: It has been suggested to me that this post would be much better with moar graf, so behold the power of Microsoft Excel:
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Posted: 11/18/2008 12:20 PM
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Xkeeper
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Now how many of those are for previously unplayed games? :) As in not another version of a game already released. (Obviously the number will be smaller; but I mean getting a greater variety of games too, not just categories.)
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Posted: 11/18/2008 11:49 PM
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mmbossman
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GBx TAS of 2008
Ah, I thought your qualm was that you were tired of the same dozen or so runs were being submitted/published over and over and over again, not that you just wanted to see more games being run. As for that debate, I stand firm in my belief that some games just make extremely boring movies to watch. Obviously what is boring to me will differ from what is boring to someone else, but you and I have already had that argument, so I won't bother to rehash it here. As for new material, I brought that up a while ago. There is a ton of material available for GBA that has yet to be TASed. SMS has some decent games yet to be run, as does N64. Unfortunately, as the newer gen consoles become TASable, we'll either have to get used to watching longer runs, or get over the fact there is a limited amount of games from which to draw from (also remembering that x% of those games make shitty TASes).
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Posted: 11/19/2008 7:43 PM
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I have nothing to add to what is being discussed, but good job on the graph bossman.
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Posted: 11/19/2008 8:03 PM
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Ferret_Warlord
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In response to Warp's question about why some runs stir more controversy than others: Allow me to posit* the idea that a lot of it could have to do with some people's attitudes, whether it be the movie maker or some of the viewers, that causes a lot of fuss. I'm sure most of you can think of some examples of this being the case. *Did I use this word correctly?
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Posted: 11/19/2008 9:05 PM
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Xkeeper
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Ferret Warlord wrote:
Allow me to posit* the idea that a lot of it could have to do with some people's attitudes, whether it be the movie maker or some of the viewers, that causes a lot of fuss. I'm sure most of you can think of some examples of this being the case. *Did I use this word correctly?
Eh. I think that attitudes will always play a part in things regardless; after all, if it weren't for those, most things would just happen. Though I still think a bit of it comes from stubbornness. N doesn't want a run published for reason Y, L wants that run published for reason Z, etc. The lack of clear guidelines on what can and cannot be published (especially regarding categories) seems to cause a lot of problems. Then some are just the result of the movie author (hi, Saturn), with the problems spilling out of the thread the movie was being discussed in before submission. * I think so. However, this post really feels like a waste. I don't know why I'm bothering to submit it, since it feels like I'm just restating what he just said. Bleh.
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