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Posted: 12/4/2008 1:55 AM
Post subject: Super Mario World:The Second Reality Project Reloaded (HACK)
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BigBoct
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As the name suggests, The Second Reality Project Reloaded is a remake of the original Second Reality Project. I think it has a lot of TAS potential; I'm currently testrunning it (going for fastest completion, I think 27 exits) and expect a completion time of around 45 minutes. I should be done with the test run tomorrow, but I'm not sure if I have enough patience (or the TASing skill) to do a full run up to the standard of the current SMW/SDW runs. The patch can be downloaded from http://www.fpi-productions.de/ , or from http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=showhack&id=1178. Patch it to a headered copy of Super Mario World (U) [!].smc. Removing the header-offset with NSRT's IPSEdit tool will NOT work.
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Posted: 12/4/2008 2:00 AM
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GBx TAS of 2008
Epic thread revival! http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4920&highlight= Somewhere out there, funguy10 is getting all warm and fuzzy.
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Posted: 12/4/2008 2:02 AM
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Isn't that thread is for The Second Reality Project 2: Zycloboo's Challenge?
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Posted: 12/4/2008 2:04 AM
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GBx TAS of 2008
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting you post there, since this (I guess) is technically a different hack. It does happen to be fun (and relevant!) reading :)
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Posted: 12/4/2008 6:26 AM
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Fun. I haven't touched an emulator in 10 months at least, but I'm really tempted to whip a test run of something like this together for fun. I doubt it'll get published or anything because people are kinda sick of SMW hacks in general, but good luck with the test run at the very least. I for one think it's great watching good SMW hack TASes so I say go for it.
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Posted: 12/4/2008 5:55 PM
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http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/233749031/Solon-TSRPR-Testrun.smv Recorded with SNES9X 1.43+ v13. It's kinda rough in the first few stages because I wasn't really tool-assisting when I started it, and I'm still learning the ropes of SNES9X for TASing. (I normally use ZSNES, because its' Rewind button is extremely handy.) And since this was just a test run, I didn't really do stuff like optimizing Mario's movement speed via stuff like the hopping glitch or 1/1 swimming.
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Posted: 12/5/2008 5:05 PM
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Pretty interesting! Thanks for the testrun! It's probably nice to see an all-exits (117 of them) TAS run on this game.
Posted: 5/22/2009 4:48 PM
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Got a request. I do want to get a better run of this done (I've got my motivation back, I think) but I don't think I have a sufficient supply of patience to optimize a movie to even half the level of the published SMW/SDW runs by myself. Anyone feel like collaborating?
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Posted: 5/23/2009 12:26 PM
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what the hell, why not. Ive always wanted to TAS a SMW variant one day, and this could be my chance.
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Posted: 5/25/2009 10:58 PM
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Yay, I've got a partner. I'll finish up the first two levels tonight, and post the SMV (along with comparisons to my test run) some time tomorrow, after I'm done job-hunting.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 3:36 PM
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Okay, I wasn't as far as I thought I was, so I just finished up Mole Ruins 1 (the first level), and I'm over 800 frames ahead of my testrun as of hitting the goal. Microstorage isn't responding for me, so Mediafire link for the time being. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?4kt2ywz3nmj And a few things I noticed that aren't in the SMWTricks page: After releasing a directional button in midair, it takes an additional 2 frames for Mario's speed to stop oscillating. From the frame Jump is pressed, it takes 3 more frames before Mario actually jumps.
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Posted: 5/26/2009 9:57 PM
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Solon wrote:
After releasing a directional button in midair, it takes an additional 2 frames for Mario's speed to stop oscillating.
You are probably using the memory watch feature built into the emulator. If you use s9xwatch it is only 1 additional frame (which makes sense).
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Posted: 5/27/2009 12:50 AM
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can anyone tell me how to get s9x watch working, it just say process 0 at the top and does nothing
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Posted: 5/27/2009 1:15 AM
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If I read the readme right, it's for use with the v1.51 line of SNES9X, not the v1.43 line.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 1:41 AM
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Oh well, I'll just have to use L spiro's MHS then. EDIT: here's a wip, I stopped here, because it's impossible to go past this point hopping, and I slow down at one part anyway, so I'm going to use 6/5 instead of hopping. EDIT2: maybe too many WIPS, anyway, here you go. finished the next level. maybe I should have used 6/5, then I wouldn't have to get back up to running speed so often, I could just get shells on the run EDIT3: Did it, and saved over 100 frames off my old movie. (was it really that bad?) oh well, I don't think there's much room for imporovement. anyway: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1569706016/andymac%26Solon-TSRPR-WIP1.smv this one is the real deal, no messing around.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 3:00 AM
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Yeah nice works. If you avoid the heavy use of 6/5 and hopping glitch in 49, it seems better to use a usual sprinting. I think it is most important that mario doesn't stop and continues to sprint. ;) In mole ruins #2, taking the yellow shell would help to defeat plants and a chuck.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 8:37 PM
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Looking very good, andymac. The only thing is that I think you should have gotten the fire flower where I did in the testrun, because we need to be Fire Mario by Lakeside Castle so we can shuffle a Cape Feather into the item box. Also, I think I'm gonna go back and redo Mole Ruins 1; looking at it again, I could probably save some more time by better manipulating Mario's speed when using the hopping glitch and and or 6/5 D-Padding. Do you have any experience with hex-editing? I've tried it before, but with no luck, and I think your Mole Ruins 2 is good enough to keep, aside from not getting the Flower. EDIT:I just remembered Maximus's TAS Movie Editor; I'll give it a try after I finish redoing Mole Ruins 1.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 9:21 PM
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I was considering working on this at one point as I think it's a hack well-suited for TASing. However, I never really took the idea seriously. Anyway, I made a quick test of mole ruins 1 today, which shows a few time savers which may help you. Looking back, it may be a good idea to start 6/5ing after Mario gets up to running speed the 2nd time (after the first climb) so he can quickly begin running again after the 2nd climb. EDIT: And maybe before the first climb too, meaning you can wall jump up instead of taking the purple triangle and begin running before the chuck. Good luck with the run, I look forward to your future WIPs. :)
Posted: 5/27/2009 9:47 PM
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Also, andymac, there is no such thing as too many WIPs. EDIT: Watched your test, NxCy, and I am really embarrassed. Definitely redoing Mole Ruins 1 now.
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Posted: 5/28/2009 4:22 AM
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Yeah, me too. I guess I should have really learned the physics of this game beforehand, instead of jumping right into it. EDIT: I made a reasonably optimised first level, bet NxCy's run beat it by 8 frames. This was largely due to the fact that he manipulated the red koopas, so he could jump on them to get further in the level. I used a shell to get there, which is definitely a slower method. Oh, it was due to the camera movement, the koopas come into view faster, and then he is able to jump off them. I knew there must have been a reason for that. Still, I think using a shell is a pretty snazzy move: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/395434046/andymac%2BSolonTSRPR.smv Also this is probably already known, but if you spaz a and b on a music block, you don't lose any speed. Also I will be away for five days, so don't expect a high rate of productivity during that period. EDIT2: One more thing, I found that when you initiate the hopping glitch while doing 6/5, you can initiate 6/6 where 8 out of 6 speeds are 49, 2 are 47 and two are 48. This only works a few times though before you run out of running speed.
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Posted: 5/28/2009 3:45 PM
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8 frames is an acceptable margin, I think. I'll check it out, see if I can't use the TAS Movie Editor to splice in your Mole Ruins 2, and then I'll get to work on Koopa Lake 1 and Lakeside Castle. (And Mole Ruins 2 if I can't get it spliced in.) Just have to get 6/5ing down; it's been giving me no end of trouble in my attempt to redo Mole Ruins 1. Also need to figure out how to get the MHS program to work.
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Posted: 5/30/2009 3:17 PM
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After an extensive session with the TAS Movie Editor (awesome tool, by the way), I was able to get about half of andymac's Mole Ruins 2 to sync after splicing it into his Mole Ruins 1 SMV. I redid the remainder myself; I think I finally have 6/5ing down. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1320405659/andymac%2BSolonTSRPR.smv A couple of mistakes, but I wanted to get this posted. I'll go back and fix them tonight or tomorrow.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 11:25 AM
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Anyone figured out how to, on the first ghost house [in smw, its the one with the secret exit leading to the yoshie and 4 blocks fire/feather]... to get to the secret exit?
[00:31:12] <stickie> by the way, thanks for the sig sixofour [00:31:23] <sixofour> dejavu [00:31:25] <sixofour> what sig? [00:31:55] <stickie> you will just have to find out *insert mystical music*
Posted: 5/31/2009 2:36 PM
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This is the thread about a hack of SMW, not the original game. Anyway. check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giKxjGrL8LY for a video of it.
Posted: 5/31/2009 2:47 PM
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Maybe he meant Flower Fear (I think that's its name), which is this game's equivalent, whose secret exit can be found by going on a platform hidden underneath the floor near the first door. Right? :S As for the 8 frames thing, I think you should try to improve that before continuing, as my test is certainly improvable.
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