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Zurreco wrote:
We should un-obsolete everything from Walker-Boh because he's a pretty cute hunk and he paved the way for a lot of the hunks we have on this site today.
Got into this section of the forum by mistake and found this thread. Thank you Zurreco, I'm very flattered.
Most of my old runs have been obsoleted by now. Some of the runs saddens me a bit because they were beaten by mere frames, which was what made me stop the TAS'ing game, the frame hunt that is. But oh well, I'm still very flattered. Thank you kind sir!
Walker Boh, perhaps there's still room for some entertaining playarounds. That's something you might want to consider doing, if you want to do more TAS stuff?
I think there IS a difference between playing through a game amazingly fast, and taking a game and proceeding to crush it into tiny pieces.
Different categories for each; i.e, "this run beats the game in a minimal amount of time, following the intended path", and "this run features several minutes worth of the game trying to figure out what the fuck just happened as the player glitches through it" seems like a good option, in my opinion.
Sure, some games have more than one category of run, with each one having differences, and this sounds a big pointless, but when several runs each have huge differences in terms of speed and entertainment.
(Ignore this next part, if you don't want to hear my crazed ramblings.)
For example... the last SM run I saw, (which was a while ago, actually, so correct me if I'm wrong about anything) was almost half-an-hour's worth of Samus travelling through a glitch world. Impressive? Very. Entertaining? Not for me. The run before that? It collected several items and beat the game really, really, fast. It was entertaining, as well.
(Ends here.)
So... in the end... some runs just quickly glitch to the end of a game, and I think that's great. I think that's awesome. But I like seeing runs that go through a game, defeat Ganon, save the princess, and get out of there before the planet explodes.
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This discussion about entertainment vs speed has been here since forever. Thing is that frames always wins in the end, which sucks in many cases if you ask me. And that's why I, most likely, won't be doing a TAS ever again. Feels like I derailed off topic quite much, but since it was brought up..
This discussion about entertainment vs speed has been here since forever. Thing is that frames always wins in the end, which sucks in many cases if you ask me. And that's why I, most likely, won't be doing a TAS ever again. Feels like I derailed off topic quite much, but since it was brought up..
In another thread you said that you stopped TASing because others were obsoleting your runs by saving off just a few frames.
I'm sorry, but that sounds like whining to me. Why should your runs have been kept and other, faster runs not have been published? Were your runs somehow special? Do you think you had some kind of special privilege that should have protected your runs from obsoletion? Why?
Do you think a 100m sprinter is going to whine if someone else beats their world record by 0.01 seconds? "Hey, he beat the time by too little. I should have the right to keep my world record."
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Warp wrote:
I'm sorry, but that sounds like whining to me. Why should your runs have been kept and other, faster runs not have been published? Were your runs somehow special? Do you think you had some kind of special privilege that should have protected your runs from obsoletion? Why?
Shut up and fuck off. We don't need that kind of attitude around here.
He made it very clear that he preferred entertainment over pure speed, the site went with priority for the latter, and so he left. That is a very straight forward and logical approach to the situation. A lot of people followed the same path (and continue to do so). Where do you get that he thinks his runs are special?
Shut up and fuck off. We don't need that kind of attitude around here.
Great, another whiner.
Where do you get that he thinks his runs are special?
Because in another thread he complained how his runs were obsoleted by newer runs which were faster by only a few frames. If that's not whining, I don't know what is.
It's whining if you consider any "Well, that didn't really go the way I would've liked it to have gone" to be whining. But he wasn't trying to change anything, just expressing discontent. And he only did it once. To qualify as whining in my opinion, it needs to be
* Repeated
* Annoying
* Attempting to get someone to change their mind to better benefit the whiner
Since none of these three criteria were met (in my opinion), he wasn't whining.
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Why doesn't anyone just try to obsolete Saturn's Super Metroid minimal% run ,as he already claimed in the submission that was possible?
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Because doing so would take months of effort, and it's not at all clear that after all that the optimized run would be accepted.
Hint: It wouldn't be.
So, why do you think people are not even bothering trying to make different kind of runs?
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This thread has lost it's purpose. It should perhaps be limited to specific games when there is a submission. A lot of nostalgia circulating around in this topic. Once again for the millionth time, when the site first about it was purely about speed, runners did little to make the runs entertaining such as hugging the right side of a screen during an autoscroller, or running under something rather than jumping over it or killing it. The fact that it was tool assisted automatically made it entertaining to most people. As the site has gone on there has been more emphasis on entertainment and trade offs than ever before. *So everyone please shut the fuck up about it.
Zurreco wrote:
Shut up and fuck off. We don't need that kind of attitude around here.
Says more about you than anything else.
*couldn't resist using the following line.
Because they care too much about their run showing up on a movie list on some dumb video game website.
Sad but true. Though it ultimately is and should be up to the runner to TAS for himself, for others, for publication, or for rejection.
I hope we one day see runs of the aforementioned games in these categories, even if TASVideos won't publish it. They'll still have an audience, and there's always Gruefood Delight.
Because they care too much about their run showing up on a movie list on some dumb video game website.
in my opinion, it's not just that. TASing takes a lot of work, and it's frustrating if your run got rejected for some reason not related to the TAS itself, but to the site's politics.
Acheron86 wrote:
Sad but true. Though it ultimately is and should be up to the runner to TAS for himself, for others, for publication, or for rejection.
I hope we one day see runs of the aforementioned games in these categories, even if TASVideos won't publish it. They'll still have an audience, and there's always Gruefood Delight.
Wasn't the site all about showing the "best" TASes? So, what's the point of limiting the possibilities?
And Gruefood Delight isn't even an official section, it's just a directory made by Alden. It lacks information, most videos don't have encodes or even screenshots. Alden is a genius putting this up on the site, but he has a life, you know. Seeing the page's edit history, no one tried to help him with page formatting, adding pics, encoding...
If people really like this section, Alden should be helped
Mitjitsu wrote:
This thread has lost it's purpose.
Yeah. It's happening a lot lately, almost every active thread in the general forums are getting derailed to arguing about this.
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Wasn't the site all about showing the "best" TASes? So, what's the point of limiting the possibilities?
Oh, I totally agree with you on this point, but it has been made clear in this thread, by the guys in charge, that this isn't the position of the site currently. I hope that changes, but we can't force someone to embrace those ideals, no matter how well we argue them.
OmegaWatcher wrote:
And Gruefood Delight isn't even an official section, it's just a directory made by Alden. It lacks information, most videos don't have encodes or even screenshots. Alden is a genius putting this up on the site, but he has a life, you know. Seeing the page's edit history, no one tried to help him with page formatting, adding pics, encoding...
If people really like this section, Alden should be helped
Maybe it's not official, but it's still a great section--some of my favorite runs were ones I found there. If Alden ever asked for help, I'm sure it'd be offered. I just meant that there's clearly people on the site who appreciate good (or silly!) runs, even if they aren't approved for publication.[/quote]
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Acheron86 wrote:
OmegaWatcher wrote:
Wasn't the site all about showing the "best" TASes? So, what's the point of limiting the possibilities?
Oh, I totally agree with you on this point, but it has been made clear in this thread, by the guys in charge, that this isn't the position of the site currently. I hope that changes, but we can't force someone to embrace those ideals, no matter how well we argue them.
You have exactly one example of this, which has been debated into the ground already. Care to provide any other examples?
Maybe it's not official, but it's still a great section--some of my favorite runs were ones I found there. If Alden ever asked for help, I'm sure it'd be offered. I just meant that there's clearly people on the site who appreciate good (or silly!) runs, even if they aren't approved for publication.
It IS. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, Alden is a genius thinking about it. But it IS a wiki, so it woudn't hurt to help him, like some users fixed small things there.
mmbossman wrote:
You have exactly one example of this, which has been debated into the ground already. Care to provide any other examples?
All submissions resurrected from gruefood and now published. They just got there due drama.
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OmegaWatcher wrote:
mmbossman wrote:
You have exactly one example of this, which has been debated into the ground already. Care to provide any other examples?
All submissions resurrected from gruefood and now published. They just got there due drama.
I'm not sure how that^ provides and example for this >
Acheron86 wrote:
OmegaWatcher wrote:
Wasn't the site all about showing the "best" TASes? So, what's the point of limiting the possibilities?
Oh, I totally agree with you on this point, but it has been made clear in this thread, by the guys in charge, that this isn't the position of the site currently. I hope that changes, but we can't force someone to embrace those ideals, no matter how well we argue them.
Isn't bringing back some publication-worthy runs the exact opposite of what Acheron86 was saying?
You have exactly one example of this, which has been debated into the ground already. Care to provide any other examples?
All submissions resurrected from gruefood and now published. They just got there due drama.
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Do you happen to mean "They just got their due drama" or perhaps "They just got there with some extra drama"? Because that sentence really doesn't make sense to me. And if it's the first one... how is that bad, exactly? I'm sorry, I'm really confused as to what you're saying.
Sorry, I'll try to explain.
...thinking about it, both of them =p
I'll quote yourself, hope you don't mind:
mmbossman wrote:
Due to recent topics, adelikat and I have discussed the idea of "unrejecting" a few movies, and returning them to the workbench to essentially get a second chance at publication.
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Well, after that we had the Saturn Vs everyone yet again.
Please, I'm not trying to revive any kind of drama again.
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