This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2422: AngerFist's Arcade Metal Slug X - Super Vehicle-001 in 18:48.40

I'm a long-time fan of Metal Slug, so I'll have a lot to say about this run. For the record, I wasn't able to get through the movie without desyncing. I lost sync around frame 49000 the first time. If I fast forward at any point, it will desync somewhere in Mission 3. I love the fact that Marco gets fat in some missions. I had no idea that flame shot was that huge when your player is fat. What I saw was good, but... The run aims for speed, whereas Metal Slug is about how much ass you can kick. I usually prefer 1-player runs, so I hate to say this, but wouldn't this run be better with 2 players? Marco fails to kill a lot of bad guys in the name of speed, while a second player trailing him could pick up some of the guys he leaves behind. Also, Metal Slug games are very laggy: the massive number of enemies on the screen pushes the limits of what NeoGeo can handle. If a second player was killing more guys, would that reduce lag, or would the death animations cause just as much lag? Also, some of the boss/mini-boss fights take a long time and consist of Marco standing right next to them and unloading on the vehicle until it explodes, which is a bit boring. Unless adding a second player doubles the bosses' HP, that would make the more boring boss fights go by a bit faster. Metal Slug is fun to play and fun to watch. It's way more fun to play with a second player, so that bad guys are getting killed all over the screen and the massively destroyable environment is exploding -- man it's great when buildings collapse from damage. Since it's more fun to play with a second player, maybe it's also more fun to watch. Edit: Frig, now it's desyncing in Mission 3 whether I fast forward or not. I guess that was a red herring. I don't know why I got so far the first time, but I can't seem to do it again.

Fortunately it never desynced for me. I followed your progress and enjoyed the last few missions.

Desynched for me at the same place it desynched when I was watching your WIP. (Around frame 46000, during the fight with the boss of mission 5.) Shame. :(

The movie synced for me also. I don't know much about this game, so I have no idea how technically good this movie is, but I enjoyed watching it :) Yes vote!

It's very good technically. This is a one-hit-and-you're-dead game (three lives per credit) -- unless you're in a vehicle like the Metal Slug, exosuit or airplane -- so you tend to get killed anywhere from every few minutes to every few seconds during a boss fight. (Fortunately you get a heavy machine gun every time you die.) You live a lot longer if you have a friend to play Player 2 to take out the stuff that you don't have time to notice. Bad guys are coming at you from all directions, so it's hard to watch ahead and behind. A second player lets you split the screen between yourselves. Still desyncing at about 16000 every time early in Mission 3. As far as the ROM and BIOS sizes, I'm just using what clrmamepro has created from the MAME 0.134u2 dat file. Does FBA want expect different ROMs? Edit: On the rare occasions when it makes it past 16000, it desyncs at 18000. So frustrating. Edit edit: Interesting. I switched to FBA Rerecording 0.0.2 to see if that helped. The first time through, it desunk at 34000 like it did the first time with 0.0.3c. Subsequent attempts crash at 16000 or 17400. Apparently the first run goes farther than any subsequent viewing, regardless of the emulator version. I wonder why that would be.

synced for me. I actually think 2 player would be faster overall but it would be more then twice as hard to optimize. Anyway this one is good enough for me. I suppose I could do an encode of it beacuse others are having trouble with it.

It is a NeoGeo Game.So only having file "neogeo.zip" ,can you enjoy it. AngerFist suggested"The ROM should be 27826 bytes and the neogeo bios 1316 bytes",I think he probably neglected "1000",The ROM should be 27826K bytes and the neogeo bios 1316K bytes:) As a fans of Metal Slug,I just say"It 's very nice",Yes Vote easily.

I followed your wips too and now really enjoyed watching the full run. Awesome game and this TAS looks technically very good to me. Thanks for making it, and of course I voted Yes. In the meantime, here's a quick and crappy encode on Rapidshare while we wait for a better one: http://rapidshare.com/files/291833405/mslugx-angerfist.avi (119 MB).

synced fine here, the .fbm just need to cut off before the credit and this should be perfect, I think. The run was very fun to watch, thanks!!

What I'd really like to see is MS3 on AES. I've never been able to get past stage 3 without killing all of my credits (since all AES games only get 4 credits). I've always wanted to unlock the picture gallery... Oh, and I'm downloading the encode so I'll vote after I watch this.

Thanks for the encode, mz! The sound started lagging noticeably in Mission 5, but that's a minor issue. I used to be able to beat Metal Slug 2 on about $2 worth of quarters (Metal Slug X is basically a remixed version of Metal Slug 2, with more enemies during the levels and a different first-stage boss fight). Watching the game just get completely destroyed was quite entertaining. I think my favorite bit was the ammo management against the trains in Mission 5. Well, the rope bridge in Final Mission is always awesome, but your TAS doesn't have any significant impact on that. It's just a fantastic bit of scenery. Anyway, great run!

Thank you mz. It'd be hard to vote no at this even if don't play at level 8. Fun is most important than lag, so vote yes.

I've never seen so much carnage before. Nobody seems to have been spared a dignified death, but did you have to kill the puppies in Mission 2 :'-) Yes vote, but I would have liked to have seen a 2p run.

i'm voting yes but i'm a little bit disapointed : the run quality is excelent and fast paced BUT it's Metal Slug, it's the kind of game where the word "exibition" take all it's sense. if someone have the guts to do it here it what would be nice : -hardest dificulty ( level 8) -insane bullet dodging ( the enemis barly shoot / move in this one :/) -total slaughter (no enemy shall survive thou assault) -all the rescue (even the hidden one's) -play as Fio ( glass are teh sexy)

A 100% secrets run would be a good way to do an entertainment-oriented run, IMO. I'd classify 100% in this game as being getting every bonus item, rescuing every hostage, bringing a Slug to the end of every level, and getting any other bonuses like the long-jump on the train level. And since you aren't going for speed directly, you might as well jack the difficulty up to 8, and add another player if you feel particularly insane. That'd be a ton of work, though...

I'm a big fan of the MS series, so this was extra special for me. There was a good pace of action, and I didn't have any complaints about any ammo planning. I would have loved for this to be 2P or on the hardest difficulty, but beggars can't be choosers. I only hope that this inspires someone to finish other MS games. Yessir.

Yeah, Angerfist it's good, but as the other guys have posted (and I've told you on IRC before) a "100% hostages or something" run would be way better.

...hardest dificulty...

hmm... have you ever played these arcade games at lvl 8? The bosses take AGES to die. You should try Metal Slug 3 next. It has the zombie transformation and multiple paths that might help in making a better run. Yes. EIDT: OH yeah yeah, and you got the chicken to lay an egg, that hatched and then the litle chick grew up to be another chicken. That was a great demonstration of the cycle of life.

A 100% secrets run would be a good way to do an entertainment-oriented run, IMO. I'd classify 100% in this game as being getting every bonus item, rescuing every hostage, bringing a Slug to the end of every level, and getting any other bonuses like the long-jump on the train level. And since you aren't going for speed directly, you might as well jack the difficulty up to 8, and add another player if you feel particularly insane. That'd be a ton of work, though...

I must agree with this. a 2P run with these objectives will reduce the issue of how long it takes to kill the boss, allow maximum entertainment.. and of course.. Fio for the win! *drool* Mr. Kelly R. Flewin

First things first. This run was a treat to watch, it has impressive ammo management, and is otherwise well-made technically. It's an absolute yes vote for publication, and it does look great from the get-go. However, the game's entertainment potential hasn't been exhausted yet. A 2P run with a more interesting goal choice than aiming for fastest time should be made to improve upon this in the future.

hmm... have you ever played these arcade games at lvl 8? The bosses take AGES to die. You should try Metal Slug 3 next. It has the zombie transformation and multiple paths that might help in making a better run.

yes i know they take ages to dies but a hardest difficulty is what would give the run it's whole entertainement, (i still rememeber how much time it took just to beat the first boss in MS3) maybe insane luck manipulating drops and heavy weapon management there would do the trick ? as for the 2P, of course it would be even more insane ( at least if the TASer let the enemys appear on the screen) but it give bosses even more life so it still does not takle the boss problem, (what happens when a 2p join a fight in the middle of the boss fight, does the boss life extend ?)

Wow, the Metal Slug movie in our site. Good job! I love MS3 better. Unfortunately I am not able to watch this movie, I will see this after it's published.

hmm... have you ever played these arcade games at lvl 8? The bosses take AGES to die. You should try Metal Slug 3 next. It has the zombie transformation and multiple paths that might help in making a better run.

yes i know they take ages to dies but a hardest difficulty is what would give the run it's whole entertainement, (i still rememeber how much time it took just to beat the first boss in MS3) maybe insane luck manipulating drops and heavy weapon management there would do the trick ? as for the 2P, of course it would be even more insane ( at least if the TASer let the enemys appear on the screen) but it give bosses even more life so it still does not takle the boss problem, (what happens when a 2p join a fight in the middle of the boss fight, does the boss life extend ?)

MS3 has that overpowered zombie vomit. It could kill the boss in seconds in a TAS.

I see no reason not to vote "yes" on this. Also, thanks for the encode mz.