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Posted: 11/26/2009 3:38 AM
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JXQ
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BadPotato wrote:
an another recent movie without author aproval would be speedy Gonzales. ==> http://tasvideos.org/1369M.html
adelikat had approval to use any work I had done for this TAS.
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Posted: 11/26/2009 5:23 AM
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BadPotato
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Then I am very sorry ; In fact, I almost thought that you were dead ...!
moozooh wrote:
All that aside, I'm not sure there is a copyright license that fits TASVideos best. So far the closest match seems to be GPL, while some users suggest Creative Commons Attribution + ShareAlike (by-sa) or an even stricter license be used.
Again, this isn't probably the right topic to talk about this, but seriously someone should look around for a real lawer, or we might have to wait years for getting an answer.
Posted: 11/26/2009 9:51 PM
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OmnipotentEntity
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moozooh wrote:
All that aside, I'm not sure there is a copyright license that fits TASVideos best. So far the closest match seems to be GPL, while some users suggest Creative Commons Attribution + ShareAlike (by-sa) or an even stricter license be used.
Actually, I suggested CC A+SA because I thought it was the most sensitive CC license towards authorship, because, despite the guideline not to make movies for personal gain, a lot of people still put a lot of stock in who made the movie. So I figured it would generate the least drama. I, for one, would be as pleased as pie if movies released under GPL.
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Posted: 11/26/2009 11:48 PM
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JXQ, ! ps I'm going to respond to that email any day now, promise.
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Posted: 11/28/2009 11:16 AM
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Warp
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I have always wondered why some people use "GPL" for documents and data, even though GPL is clearly a software license. The license clearly talks about things like source code, object code, system libraries, standard interfaces and other such terms which are clearly not applicable to pure data (which movie files really are). The entire point of the GPL is that the source code of the program must be free. If you distribute a program licensed under the GPL, you must also offer the source code for that program for free. With TAS movie data files you cannot eg. comply with sections 5 (if you distribute a modified GPL program, you must also distribute its sources with prominent notices about original authorship) and 6 (if you distribute a program in object code form, you have to also provide the original, machine-readable source code), because the domain of the license simply doesn't apply to pure data files. Creative Commons is a set of licenses which are specifically aimed at documents and data files.
Posted: 11/28/2009 3:43 PM
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OmnipotentEntity
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Warp wrote:
I have always wondered why some people use "GPL" for documents and data, even though GPL is clearly a software license. The license clearly talks about things like source code, object code, system libraries, standard interfaces and other such terms which are clearly not applicable to pure data (which movie files really are). The entire point of the GPL is that the source code of the program must be free. If you distribute a program licensed under the GPL, you must also offer the source code for that program for free. With TAS movie data files you cannot eg. comply with sections 5 (if you distribute a modified GPL program, you must also distribute its sources with prominent notices about original authorship) and 6 (if you distribute a program in object code form, you have to also provide the original, machine-readable source code), because the domain of the license simply doesn't apply to pure data files. Creative Commons is a set of licenses which are specifically aimed at documents and data files.
I'd think that a keypress file has more in common with a program than with a document though.
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Posted: 11/29/2009 11:04 PM
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Warp
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
I'd think that a keypress file has more in common with a program than with a document though.
A keypress file is a pure data file, nothing else. I wouldn't use the GPL license with it because its interpretation could cause controversy in problematic situations. I don't see any problem in using some CC license.
Posted: 11/30/2009 2:58 AM
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A keypress file is a sequence of commands. So is a source code file. They both have to be interpreted by a special program to generate some desired output. In other words, source code is pure data, nothing else. It's all in how you look at the thing.
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Posted: 11/30/2009 1:27 PM
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Flygon
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Yes, but the keypress files also have author info inside them, among other things (Such as rerecord count).
Posted: 11/30/2009 3:28 PM
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And code also has comments and source control metadata (which often includes authorship information).
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Posted: 11/30/2009 4:25 PM
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Warp
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Derakon wrote:
A keypress file is a sequence of commands. So is a source code file. They both have to be interpreted by a special program to generate some desired output. In other words, source code is pure data, nothing else. It's all in how you look at the thing.
Well, if you deliberately insist in using GPL for movie data files, then go right ahead. It's not like I'm going to stop you or anything. I was simply warning about possible problems.
Posted: 11/30/2009 6:04 PM
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As it happens, I agree that a CC license makes more sense here, mostly because people in general think of GPL as being for tools and CC for being for content, and we do generally use the movie input files in the context of content. I guess I was just picking nits...
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Posted: 11/30/2009 11:24 PM
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Once again, I will ask "Why worry about a license if it is 100% legally unenforceable?" You (Warp and Dekaron) have talked about this ad nauseum. Lets agree to a set of standards as a community on how to deal with movies and ownership. Pretending this will go to an ACTUAL court of law is silly.
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Posted: 11/30/2009 11:33 PM
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Warp
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DarkKobold wrote:
You (Warp and Dekaron) have talked about this ad nauseum.
3 posts and 3 replies are a rather interesting definition of "ad nauseum"... How would you call it if we had gone for 3 pages instead?-)
Posted: 12/1/2009 2:20 AM
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DarkKobold
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I was referring to this. I should have singled you out, as opposed to including Derakon. You really don't get that this is a COMMUNITY issue, not a LEGAL issue.
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Posted: 12/1/2009 2:58 AM
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Hence why my repeated use of the phrase "courteous to the author" was instead replaced with "ZOMG will we be sued?!?!?". Being the nerds that we are I suppose it's just easier to discuss things which have a black and white answer versus those that have moral implications.
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