Submission #6875: ktwo's NES Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Dragons of Flame in 09:56.23

Console Nintendo Entertainment System Emulator Bizhawk 2.3.1
Game Version JPN Frame Count 35833
ROM Filename Advanced Dungeons & Dragons - Dragons of Flame (Japan).nes Frame Rate 60.0988138974405
Branch Rerecord Count 16005
Unknown Authors ktwo
Game Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Dragons of Flame
Submitted by ktwo on 9/7/2020 3:58:32 PM

Submission Comments
Dragons of Flame is the sequel that was promised in the credits of the infamous "AD&D: Heroes of the Lance". While the game was better received than its predecessor, it was still limited to a Famicom release on Nintendo systems. The game follows the party from HotL after they recovered the discs of Mishakal, until they slay the 'Dragon Highlord of the North', Lord Verminaard. The gameplay can best be described as a (very) poor man's version of Zelda II for the NES.

Game objectives

  • Emulator used: Bizhawk 2.3.1
  • Primary objective: speed
  • Takes damage and uses death abuse to save time

Game mechanics

I haven't found any TAS-exclusive tricks. Everything of relevance for the game mechanics that I'm aware of is described in the SDA speedrun guide.


The routes through the two overhead sections are fairly easy to see by studying the maps on The game then continues with two dungeons with multiple paths. The route taken is indicated by red arrows in the first and second dungeon maps.
For reference, the slower yellow and violet routes have been uploaded in the user files. The blue route doesn't work because of too many strong enemies along the path and has therefore not been pursued.
Finally, the health management is important to consider for achieving a low time. A spreadsheet was used to find the best places to take damage.

Stage by stage comments

Overworld, part 1 - The road to Pax Tharkas

  • Every movement in the overworld moves the character 16 pixels in either direction. Each movement introduces a few random lag frames. I haven't found any pattern in how many lag frames a given movement will produce.
  • The enemies in the overworld home in on the player on average, making it difficult to avoid them, even in a TAS setting. I stopped for one frame in two different places to prevent enemy spawns. If someone invested more time into this game, I believe a script could be written to test the many different movement possibilities and find inputs to reduce stops and random lag.

Overworld, part 2 - Finding the entrance to the secret path

  • Same general comments as above. I stopped twice for one frame to prevent an enemy spawn.

Dungeon, part 1 and 2 - The secret path and Pax Tharkas

  • The dungeons appear to be completely consistent. I did a few iterations because of reroutings and the movie synched every time.

Bosses - Ember and Verminaard

  • The normal method to defeat Ember is to use magic missiles three times. However, it turns out it can be damaged by other attacks as well. When it lowers its head, a high sword attack will damage the dragon. The second time, the sword attack was timed to inflict a double-hit, which was just enough to kill it. The time gain of mixing sword attacks and magic missilies over simply using three magic missiles is just a handful of frames though.
  • Verminaard teleports to either the left or the right side of the screen after each hit. The new spawn location only depends on the player's x-position and is therefore easy to manipulate.

Possible improvements

I believe the biggest time save left on the table is the route through the overworld sections. There are too many combinations to try by hand, so a script would have to be written to more systematically calculate or test if stop frames can be avoided and if random lag can be reduced. I doubt we're talking about more than a handful of frames though. The problem with writing such a script is that empirical testing would take a long time, while calculating the RNG for upcoming input isn't possible with today's knowledge. Since the global counter in $79, which provides entropy to the RNG-calculation, continues to run during lag frames, getting knowledge of what determines the number of lag frames during a movement would be required first.

Memory: Judging
Memory: Optimization as far as I can tell looks good.
The run wasn't very entertaining outside two bosses which were sorta amusing. Otherwise the game was incredibly straightforward. Audience reception was fairly negative as well.
Accepting to Vault.
feos: Pub.

Last Edited by on 1/1/2022 6:13:59 PM
Page History Latest diff List Referrers