DK64_Master (I think, I can't find the post right now) pointed out the idea to me of pressing left, then right so fast that the hardware recognizes both as being pressed. Whatever interval the system uses as a window of checking which buttons are pressed, use the "godlike reflexes" to press left for half that time, and then right for the other half. Dilemma averted!

I was hoping we wouldn't transfer the discussion to this thread. Simply put, I don't like left+right or up+down in any run, but as I stated in the other thread, I'm generally (reluctantly) willing to ignore it since it's going to be used whether I like it or not. I am consistent on that point. Also consistent is that my votes are based on entertainment. I found this movie entertaining, but I did not find the constant teleportation in TMNT2 to be entertaining. I hope that clarifies my position, and I apologize that my comment caused further discussion in this thread. As for the question about why a game should be allowed on this site if it looks like it could be achieved by skill alone... well, I think almost every run on the site would have to be disallowed if that was the case. Short of showing off a glitch that can only be achieved by doing something impossible like left+right, anything that can be done in a TAS run could theoretically be done in real life, if only it were humanly possible to play that well. In the vast majority of runs on this site, I could show it to a random friend and they would say "OMG, that guy is amazing. It must have taken years to get that good!" You can't be certain that it's not a speed-run unless something happens that simply couldn't be done in a speed-run, no matter how skilled the speedrunner was. I don't personally know anyone who could jump every second frame to climb walls as fast as the ninja in this run, but I bet Data could do it, so most of this run passes the WWDD test. And JXQ.... brilliant. You're right, it's probably possible to press left and right so quickly that they would be registered on the same frame. Data could probably do it. I still don't like the idea of it, but I can use that excuse to sleep better at night now. lol Once again, my sincere apologies for bringing this up. I hope Pandora's box is empty now.

About NG3, I would speculate that your ninja powers may exceed mine enough to shave a few frames on some levels and boss fights. But as you mentioned, it will take more (like a new glitch) to get more than a second or two overall. I didn't do much luck manipulation, though it doesn't seem to be possible in many cases. If you can get moving platforms to line up at the right time it would be a pretty big deal, but good luck.

I played with NG3 a bit last night and found a couple of relatively significant improvements; going up the left wall in 7-2a saves 46 frames and it looks like the last two bosses could be done at least 20 frames faster. Still, nothing terribly exciting. Also, L+A,__,R+A... is a slightly faster pattern for wall climbing. As for the moving platforms, did you have any ideas about that? because my admittedly limited testing showed that there was nothing at all random about them.

Excellent work, congratulations! Wouldn't have thought of this stuff...too good.

DK64_Master (I think, I can't find the post right now) pointed out the idea to me of pressing left, then right so fast that the hardware recognizes both as being pressed. Whatever interval the system uses as a window of checking which buttons are pressed, use the "godlike reflexes" to press left for half that time, and then right for the other half. Dilemma averted!

I don't think it keeps track of what gets pressed during that timeframe, it checks all directions at once. OTOH data could just push the two directions hard enough to break the control pad into independently pushable buttons and go from there.

OTOH data could just push the two directions hard enough to break the control pad into independently pushable buttons and go from there.

He doesn't even need to do that to the original PS controller. Let's pretend this is his controller of choice.

He doesn't even need to do that to the original PS controller. Let's pretend this is his controller of choice.

Well, all the original PS controllers I've played only LOOK like they have a splitted d-pad. Actually, it's a normal cross-shaped thing, but you can't see the center.

Bastards. I knew there was something wrong with them. Then the answer to the WWDD question would be: "He'd split the d-pad".

I don't think it keeps track of what gets pressed during that timeframe, it checks all directions at once.

Think about how a controller works. You press left, closing the circuit and sending an electrical pulse to the console. You press right, sending another signal. If they both show up within the same x clock cycles, they both would be calculated in the same frame. x might have to be 1, I'm not sure. In theory, it doesn't matter how long the circuit is closed as long as enough electrons make it to the console to register the input. It's a longshot solution, but theoretically it should be possible without breaking the D-pad. I have to give JXQ credit for a very clever argument.

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [569] NES Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos by Scumtron in 09:18.27

How about a star for this movie? It'd be great for first-timers to watch... It's not completely glitched and the viewer knows what is going on during the whole movie. It's very short and fast paced. It's a game that's fairly popular. It's incredibly entertaining!! (moonwalk dance) I can't vote yet, so instead, I will plea to the powers that be and say "consider a star for Scumtron's Ninja Gaiden II TAS".

It was actually not my argument, but I thought it was very convincing. (I have no clue where it came from, if someone finds it feel free to point it out)

I don't think it keeps track of what gets pressed during that timeframe, it checks all directions at once.

Well, whatever way the controller checks a button press takes a finite non-zero amount of time, even if it's as small as 4 nanoseconds. If this is the case, just press "left" for 2 nanoseconds and "right" for the next 2 nanoseconds.

I really enjoyed this movie. Nice work.

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Welcome to the community! ;) Always fun with new people on this site! ;)

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You can upload it here.

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Well, as long as a run is already made with great precision and full understanding of game timing, the most common sources for improvement may be: • trying to discover new glitches; • trying to get better precision by monitoring subpixel position; • trying to reduce lag; • trying to manipulate luck as good as it theoretically can be.

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