Posted: 2/16/2007 2:11 AM
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mike89
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Okay I'll break the ice and get the ball rolling for Sonic games. There's a whole multitude of runs out there for people willing to do them (Sonic 1, 2, Chaos, Triple Trouble, Blast...). I think when SMS TASing becomes a reality I'll give one of them a shot, most likely one of the first two as I'm more familiar with them. That, and they have more videos on TSC to learn from. These are the best strategies known to us at this time, and I imagine Bridge 1 would make for a fun TAS to watch alone. :D One thing I want to test the feasibility of is in Scrap Brain 2: there's a switch that opens one door and closes another, and I think you can just sneak under the doors with perfect input. I'd like to see a TAS do that.
Posted: 2/16/2007 4:08 PM
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I keep thinking of Sonic Labyrinth, especially with the ball rolling pun. I feel dirty. From a pure fan boy perspective a 100% Triple Trouble would be great to see, if just For Fang the Sniper. At least half of those special stages are normal gameplay, and extra bosses are always nice. Especially when those bosses are Nack, the true first Sonic character to have a gun.
Posted: 2/16/2007 9:07 PM
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Personally I like sonic 2 better, I think the roll-jumping optimization would be fun to watch.
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Posted: 2/16/2007 11:44 PM
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I'm currently doing research on Sonic 2, although I'm not sure what glitches I'll find but L+R allows sonic to zip backwards, although I'm not sure what use that will have any use, although zipping for a short distance backward then rolling and holding L+R seems more effective.. U+D simply make sonic alterate between Up and down, the physics are really screwed up much like Sonic 1 GBA, but it doesn't have the lag and is more than an acceptable game for its time. Running feels quite slow, but running while jumping under ceiling seems very effective. Also many of the corners have very inperfect checks, one some occasions sonic can glitch his whole body into them while jumping past corners
Posted: 2/19/2007 12:43 PM
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Well, I found something. If beating the doors in Scrap Brain 2 doesn't work, you can always just die after hitting the switch, because the top entrance to that area is actually a checkpoint. Jungle 2 looks like it might require a camhack :D The screen scrolls into position when you hit a platform and then locks until you land on a higher one so that you can't go backwards. Naturally if you jump the frame after hitting the platform it won't move far before it would be locked into position again. Bridge and Labyrinth lag horribly, but you all knew that surely. Causes of lag are easy enough: Bridge's bridges and the water level on Labyrinth are the chief instigators. Also good work on Sonic 2 so far AKA :o
Posted: 2/19/2007 11:39 PM
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In Sonic 1 you can go out of the screen and finish the stage outside of the screen, I think this can be done only in 1st stage...
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Posted: 2/20/2007 12:34 AM
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Triple Trouble isn't SMS; it's Game Gear only. Too bad, because I would have liked to see a run of Tails' Adventure.
Posted: 2/20/2007 12:50 AM
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Anon wrote:
Triple Trouble isn't SMS; it's Game Gear only. Too bad, because I would have liked to see a run of Tails' Adventure.
You're not alone. I loved Tails' Adventure! (sob) Is there still no adequate Game Gear emulator?
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Posted: 2/20/2007 12:56 AM
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GBx TAS of 2008
There are some that work well, just none with rerecord support (that I know about). SMS plus works really well but AFAIK it's only for Mac.
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Posted: 2/21/2007 7:08 AM
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As a longtime MEKA user, I'm kind of surprised that an adequate SMS emulator wouldn't also be an adequate Game Gear emulator.
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Posted: 2/21/2007 12:42 PM
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That being the case, Sonic 1 should be done on Game Gear as my tests show it is way faster. You lose a little time on the first act but the rest is all GG.
Posted: 3/11/2007 8:06 PM
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Come on, people, let's see some Sonic runs for the Sega Master System already, please?
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Posted: 5/23/2007 9:19 PM
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IMO, Sonic 1 and other games for SMS/GG are just pointless since they're basically inferior ports from the Genesis. Sonic 2, on the other hand, is a completely different game on the SMS and should be worth it :)
Posted: 5/23/2007 9:48 PM
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MikeRS wrote:
IMO, Sonic 1 and other games for SMS/GG are just pointless since they're basically inferior ports from the Genesis. Sonic 2, on the other hand, is a completely different game on the SMS and should be worth it :)
Have you, quite seriously, even PLAYED sonic 1 or 2 for sms/gg? They're completely different games.
Posted: 5/24/2007 1:35 AM
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Atma wrote:
MikeRS wrote:
IMO, Sonic 1 and other games for SMS/GG are just pointless since they're basically inferior ports from the Genesis. Sonic 2, on the other hand, is a completely different game on the SMS and should be worth it :)
Have you, quite seriously, even PLAYED sonic 1 or 2 for sms/gg? They're completely different games.
Atma, you don't remember the long autoscrolling bridge level in sonic 1 on genesis? or the junle level that auto scrolls upwards? man, your memory must be terrible.
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Posted: 5/24/2007 5:38 AM
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stanski wrote:
Atma, you don't remember the long autoscrolling bridge level in sonic 1 on genesis? or the junle level that auto scrolls upwards? man, your memory must be terrible.
Oh, I certainly do, but how does that have any relevance to the game being an "inferior port"? Last I checked, the genesis version didn't have a bridge level, nor a forest level. If you want an example of an inferior port, check out ff6 advance.
Posted: 5/24/2007 7:17 PM
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FF6 Advance (aside from the music) wasn't that bad. FF4 on the other hand was that bad. Damn you TOSE!
Posted: 5/25/2007 12:59 AM
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Atma wrote:
stanski wrote:
Atma, you don't remember the long autoscrolling bridge level in sonic 1 on genesis? or the junle level that auto scrolls upwards? man, your memory must be terrible.
Oh, I certainly do, but how does that have any relevance to the game being an "inferior port"? Last I checked, the genesis version didn't have a bridge level, nor a forest level. If you want an example of an inferior port, check out ff6 advance.
Twas being sarcastic, saying "don't you remember those levels ON THE GENESIS."
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Posted: 5/25/2007 3:19 AM
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Atma
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stanski wrote:
Twas being sarcastic, saying "don't you remember those levels ON THE GENESIS."
Thats what I get for posting right after I wake up I suppose, completely missed that :P But still, point remains, its basically a completely different game :P
Posted: 11/12/2007 9:04 PM
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I messed around a bit with Sonic 2 and did the first level just a shade short of 18 seconds. I guess in a way you could say its like watching Mario World. It seems getting into a roll and jumping is the best way to move since Sonic's speed inreases by a fair bit. As I said I did the [URL=http://rapidshare.com/files/69281056/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2__UE_____.mmv.html] first level [/url] but I'm personally not interested in doing it because the stages are short, unsmooth and uneventul. If any of you refer to the TSC time, you'll notice that it gets 17 seconds as the nature of the timer is inconsistent between versions.
Posted: 11/12/2007 10:23 PM
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Not quite "inconsistent between versions" - the timer acts funny in all versions I'm aware of (except when Sprint hacked it to fix the timer). Basically the timer is always running subseconds in the background, and when the level starts you'll start with the subseconds accumulated. As such you can get anything from 0 to almost 1 second tacked onto the timer at the start.
Posted: 11/12/2007 10:44 PM
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PAL MS has a slower timer.
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