Keeping the 3-Way saves around 100 frames in the level alone. While it is true that the boss fight takes a lot longer time, we save 498 frames on not resetting, and loses 384 on the boss. EDIT: On the other hand we could have saved around 47 frames on the boss using the RL compared to Genisto, so that makes the gain smaller. Nevertheless a gain.

I found this very entertaining, regardless of version. Yes vote.

This TAS will explod in 60 seconds. Don't forget the chara-designe! (okay, I've never seen this game before. But it was interesting to watch, so voting yes.)

Well the latter has the correct ending (inaction instead of murderous rage).. and has stage names (or whatever those are).. and both titles have an 'M' in them so they bypass normal delays.

I agree with your last two points, but how could murderous rage be incorrect? The murderous rage is awesome!

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [839] NES Bionic Commando by Cardboard & JXQ in 14:03.38

At the last stage when you return to the first elevator. (ca 10min,54sec) Is it possible to, instead of going down with the elevetor go up with it and the get of it like you did the first time (10min, 26sec) and then go under it and drop down.

No. We spent about one evening each trying that, but the game seem to treat the elevator shaft as a strange area where you must stand on the elevator :( Edit: Actually, the elevators have quite a freaky physics/attraction level overall, so I suppose that was the problem here. They seem to always throw Ladd upon them :/

It doesn't surprice me that you already tried it. It is a great run.

I noticed that this run didn't keep the previous run's star. I thought that was automatic now, so I guess it's just been removed manually. I think it's a bummer, I've always thought this was a great star candidate. Especially for me, Genisto's run was a very effective early movie for me to watch as a beginner to understand how different a TAS could be from normal play. Anyway, thanks for the quick publication. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't surprised.

I noticed that this run didn't keep the previous run's star. I thought that was automatic now, so I guess it's just been removed manually. I think it's a bummer, I've always thought this was a great star candidate. Especially for me, Genisto's run was a very effective early movie for me to watch as a beginner to understand how different a TAS could be from normal play. Anyway, thanks for the quick publication. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't surprised.

I considered posting this earlier, but felt that it was irrelevant after the status had been changed back to 'accepted'. Where I'm coming from: I've never played this game before, nor had I ever heard of it before discovering nesvideos. Of the starred videos, this was one of the last that I watched, mainly because the screenshot was a little lame (looked like a guy crawling up a group of barrels or something?). I was really surprised when I watched, because there was a lot of action, and grappling hooks (can you possibly go wrong with grappling hooks?). As I do with most new submissions that I enjoy (if they're short enough, and particularly in this case because there was so much debate over the version switch), I watched the previously published run directly after this submission. Things I noticed: - (J) had an occational swastika in the background. - (U) had a different (noticably better) route. - (U) had one less Truck Battle (arguably one of the most boring parts of the run). - (J) had more platforms in one of the areas, although I couldn't say if this made the run faster, or actually hindered the player. - In general (although also possible in (J), I would assume), the player moved more quickly through the levels. - Both versions clearly depicted Hitler's head exploding at the end. Things I wouldn't have noticed unless I had been told: - (J) had faster scrolling text (somehow, sitting through 2 seconds more text that I can actually read now and then doesn't seem any slower than having to sit through text that I can't read at all, even though it is slightly faster). - The superior route (and the skipped Truck Battle) was a direct result of the text speed difference (and therefore the version change). Things I didn't notice even though I was told: - (J) apparently has more enemies. I really didn't notice. I suppose this is probably because I was watching the player most of the time. In conclusion, I found every aspect of this run, including the rom choice, superior to the previously published run, so I voted yes. I realize that my opinions are not shared by everyone. But for every person who enjoys the 'authenticity' of seeing an occational swastika in the background, there will be another who would prefer not to. The majority probably don't care. For every person who argues that faster text should be perferred over slower, but readable by most, text, there will be another who will argue exactly the opposite. Once again, the majority probably don't care. These factors aside, what remains is the perceived 'difficulty' difference of the two versions (which has been shown not to heavily favor either version), the superior route seen in (U), and the absence of one Truck battle in (U); both of the latter no one seems to care about, which frankly, I find to be very odd. As I said, previously I had decided not to post all this, because I thought it to be irrelevant. I am posting it now, because I see no reason why a superior run (and it is superior, otherwise it would not have obsoleted the existing run, or?) should not have a star if it replaces an inferior run which had.

I see no reason why a superior run (and it is superior, otherwise it would not have obsoleted the existing run, or?) should not have a star if it replaces an inferior run which had.

I personally would vote (if it is a vote) that this run not be starred, just because of the truck battles. The starred runs are supposed to show off what we can do with tool assistance, and I think walking around on autofire and shooting everything 200 times more than needed and missing a ton of shots isn't what we can do with tool assistance. Phil's short WIP which takes a "one shot = one kill" approach to killing everything in that same truck level is a much better demonstration of the "cool, superior efficiency" of tool assistance. So sure, through the levels this run is better, but in the "free" time it's less entertaining, so I don't think it should have star. What other wire games have stars? Does one of the Umihara runs, or Ninja Five-O or something? This is a good game to be starred, but one wire game might be enough.

Boco makes a valid point, despite exaggerating it to the point of fucktarded. Either way, I would appreciate the rationale of the removal. I think this is just a courtesy to the audience, since the stars are decided by one person. Lastly, though mostly unrelated: Cardboard and I plan on improving this run at some point in the future.

I noticed that this run didn't keep the previous run's star. I thought that was automatic now, so I guess it's just been removed manually.

Yes, I removed it manually. I occasionally change the stars, it is nothing to be alarmed of. It's not a trophy; it's a content management feature.

I still think a rationale would be appropriate and courteous, but you obviously disagree since you avoided the question. At least I tried.

Lastly, though mostly unrelated: Cardboard and I plan on improving this run at some point in the future.

I hope you will give me some time to finish Hitler no Fukkatsu. I was wondering if I should do Bionic Commando too to help people compare the differences. Oh no, your video can't be compared since I can improve it.

I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence, could you reword it? Edit: I think I got it after a few re-reads. To answer your question: No.

"No" for my 1st or 2nd question? Edit: If not clear: 1st. Will you give me some time to finish it? 2nd. Is it a good idea to do both so it will be easier to compare?

Anyway, Phil, please use the (U) version. You're begging for trouble if you use the (J) version. If you make a run using the (J) version now, you will have no one else to blame but yourself if it's not accepted. The rules have been changed to favor (U) versions of games.

Really? That's not just your opinion, that's a consensus that has been reached? Reading the description of this movie, at present, suggests no such paradigm shift has taken place.

Last I checked there wasn't a concensus reached at the "official" petition, and that all sorts of options were still up in the air.

The Rules have been changed. It's still not absolute, but clearly states that you should use the (U) version unless you have a VERY good reason not to (which Phil probably think he has, even though I don't think that many people agree).

After re-downloading the video for this game on SDA, I can see why the star was removed. I still like this run, and I still think it's much better than the run on SDA, but really it doesn't show off what tool-assistance can do like most of the other starred runs do. (E.g: Umihara Kawase is difficult to play, period, let alone actually be good at. At least one of the short cuts the published run uses would be maddening in real time, if not completely impossible. And every level is played like that, to some extent or another. It's jaw-dropping. This? Not so much.) Though, like Phil, I'd still like to hear if I'm right about that. =D