Joined: 5/21/2004
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Location: Huntington Beach, CA
I want to produce a dvd with menus and stuff to show my friends and to have for myself.
Its completely not for profit and will never be. I just want an easy way to show some excellent vids off.
I'm just looking for any opinions/thoughts on this and if any speedrunner requests that their video is not on it I will of course respect that.
I know there was a post about some guy trying to make a dvd for profit awhile back, but I re-iterate, this is completely not for profit.
i say go for it, I would have already done this if I had a DVD burner. Reduced back to TV resolution these videos probably look very good. A nice menu interface and... oo, i get chills just thinking about it
Joined: 5/21/2004
Posts: 16
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
I'd certainly share the DVD iso, thats a great idea.
Whats the best way for me to go about it?
Maybe we can convince bisqwit to allow me to produce a collection of vids every so often?
I'd be happy to do it. Of course the iso would be like 4.7GB or just under it.
I'd send it out postal... but I'd have to charge something like $3 for the disc and shipping. No profit or anything, just so I'm not in the red for it...
I think you only can fit 4,37GB of data on it actually.
And it would be nice if someone worked on a DVD and release the iso. For example it's very hard to download the old avi files from this site. Tried with Kabuki Quantum Fighter yesterday. Says no seed so.. :(
A new release with all collected movies would be really nice. Hmm.. That would make a couple of DVD's BTW. :D
I'm running the seeding script almost always, so there should be seeds for movies that need seeds.
I'm a pretty slow seed though, but just be patient and keep the torrent running.
i say go for it, I would have already done this if I had a DVD burner. Reduced back to TV resolution these videos probably look very good. A nice menu interface and... oo, i get chills just thinking about it
Actually, it wouldn't be 'reduced back', to get a smooth 60fps playback, you'd actually need to treat the existing NES frames as fields and weave them together, while horizontally resizing to 720 pixels (preferably by computing the correct width to generate a proper NES aspect ratio, then sideboxing to 720 pixels). The weaving would create 480 line frames, which should result in a DVD-ready video once encoded to MPEG-2.
The only possible complication to this method would be the field affinity, although it won't be as much of an issue as it would be with putting Amiga demos on DVD (which is the original purpose for this weaving method), as the NES doesn't generate an interlaced signal. As field affinity really only matters with images sourced from a 480 line source, all we would need to do would be to ensure that whether we denote the first NES frame top or bottom, that we set the resulting MPEG-2 to the same field affinity. Otherwise, you'll have horrendous flickering. Quite a bit of effort, but would produce the best possible quality on DVD. One could also use DVD lowres, but then you'd have to drop half the NES frames.
This would also require redumping the source AVI from the emulator movie, for best possible quality.
Well, I've made a bit of progress on the method I'd use to make video DVDs of the best runs. Using Bisqwit's SMB2j run, I was able to generate a 720x480 MPEG-2 that plays back smooth in DScaler, in several deinterlacing modes, both on the PC and through the nVidia TV-out. Unfortunately, I don't currently own a DVD writer, nor access to a DVD player that can handle miniDVDs, so I can't test it after being actually burned off in DVD format. There was a slight problem with audio sync but this is peculiar to my machine for some reason, it happens with other media and is not related to this process. Now all I need is a dual-layer DVD writer and I'll start work on actually making a series of DVDs. For the record, the total video (spanning from the gray frame before the FDS BIOS screen, to the frame where it goes black after the game is beat and the music finished playing) is just under 400MB (when you consider that DVD DL can hold 9.4GB, that's not a problem at all).
Next is to try the same method with the patched Gens and convert Gavin's S3&K run =P
You know... this might just be me talking but if you wanted and got everybody to OK it, I bet you could pass this around. Personally, having all these on DVD would be pretty rad. I don't know about the legality of everything or how it would work, but I think it would be pretty bitchin to have a collection available.
You know... this might just be me talking but if you wanted and got everybody to OK it, I bet you could pass this around. Personally, having all these on DVD would be pretty rad. I don't know about the legality of everything or how it would work, but I think it would be pretty bitchin to have a collection available.
It'd either be free, or cost of the media only. Due to the amount of work put into these speedruns, I'd think it could possibly be argued that the player owns the copyright over the specific videos (without inferring any control over the characters or music themselves). I'd of course want to distribute it, but it'd be a bit too unwieldy to shuffle around 9.4GB files, thus the consideration of charging the cost of the media (and not a cent more) =P
I also think we might be talking two different things here - I'm talking about actually producing DVD-Video discs that can be played in any standard DVD player. Others I believe are referring to merely a collection of AVIs on a DVD, which is admirable in its own right (since the AVI will be much smaller than the equivalent MPEG-2 for DVD, you could fit many, many more runs in AVI).
I'm on the same page as you are -- the actual DVD that could be played on a TV using a DVD player.
Anybody could make a DVD Data disk and just throw in all the .avis but making a real honest to goodness DVD would be pretty interesting I think.
Then we could show our friends without the technical know-how about these speed runs.
As for the pricing, I couldn't agree more with you. I don't know if you'd be interested but I've got quite a collection of the .avis. If you want to make this a collaborative effort I wouldn't mind joining whoever is making the collection.
Well, looks like I'll have to invest in a large hard drive to be able to produce the longer runs for DVD. I use either Huffyuv or PICVideo MJPEG, whichever gives better file sizes, and I have to use PCM audio for at least the initial AVI generation (although during weaving in VDubMod, I can use 256kbps CBR MP3 to save some space - VBR MP3 in AVI is a broken hack anyway, and should not be used IMO). Right now, I'm doing a test encode of the first few minutes of Frenom's SM run, and the initial AVI's filesize is already near 2GB. I can probably do some work on the shorter runs (like I mentioned before, I already have a full test MPEG-2 encode of Bisqwit's SMB2j run), but anything with a substantial length would have to wait.
I also did a test encode of the first act of Gavin's S3&K run, so I can pretty much apply this method to any classic console with an emulator that supports AVI dumping and controller movie recording/playback. I can try to write up my method if anyone with more free hard drive space wants to take a stab at producing a DVD (or at least the video files that would go on such a DVD). The resizing parameters are slightly different depending on whether you're working with an NES/SNES game with a 256 pixel wide frame or a Genesis game with a 320 pixel wide frame. The only snag I might see would be Genesis games that use both 40 and 32 cell mode (and also, the aforementioned issue with interlaced sources, such as S2 2p mode).
On a side note, using MJPEG for either the initial AVI or the weaved intermediate, combined with the Lanczos resize I do to 256 pixel wide material, gives a slight bit of color artifacting that, on a PC monitor, looks similar to what you might get if you captured SVideo from a real SNES, which I found a bit interesting.
I recently acquired a copy of Adobe Encore DVD, so I'll probably use that to author the menus. I haven't played around with it much, but I understand it has excellent integration with Photoshop and After Effects, which I was planning on using anyway. Gotta use professional-level software to get professional-level results ;)
Joined: 4/21/2004
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Location: Stockholm, Sweden
First of all there is dvd:s (at least here in Sweden) with data you can burn to maximum 4,7 gig, 8 gig, 20 gig, and the current buy-dvd is 40gig so you can put almost every "interesting and popular runs in it". Secondly, you cant just say why dont you just do a .iso file and share it to others because he said he wished to create a dvd movie WITH dvd menues etc and for that you have to create at least 4 SFO-file which is a sort of a link-file which links all the existing file in a dvd to eachother so when you for instance choose a file you can through that SFO file make that choice, and to do that requires alots of time (been there done that and I have a dvd-burner). And the most important thing, you wont be able to never (at least at this stage) share that .iso or .img file because if its at least 4,7gig how do you expect to have any seeds and people willing letting their computers be on for DAYS until you have completed the downloading-process? Because I assume aint alot of people here with decent speed and I certainly wouldnt have the time to download just a single file for days, certainly not worth it.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
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natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
I have allready worked on one dvd for my self.. It includes bonus section for "why_how" and etc sections from bisqwits site. And some of the time attack converstaions here on the forum. And ofcourse the best runs in my opinion. I can put the dvd for share if u want. But it will take a while.
Joined: 4/16/2004
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Location: Uppsala, Sweden
I haven´t answered to this topic yet but since it´s kinda unavoidable I might as well agree to it ;) You have permission to use my movies as long as you DON`T make any money out of them. I mean, they are free anyways.
I don't charge from that dvd... I just want to show these incredible videos to my friends who don't have a pc. And every video is included with authors name or nick.
I wasn't even going to tell this to you but since this came up..
First of all there is dvd:s (at least here in Sweden) with data you can burn to maximum 4,7 gig, 8 gig, 20 gig, and the current buy-dvd is 40gig so you can put almost every "interesting and popular runs in it". Secondly, you cant just say why dont you just do a .iso file and share it to others because he said he wished to create a dvd movie WITH dvd menues etc and for that you have to create at least 4 SFO-file which is a sort of a link-file which links all the existing file in a dvd to eachother so when you for instance choose a file you can through that SFO file make that choice, and to do that requires alots of time (been there done that and I have a dvd-burner). And the most important thing, you wont be able to never (at least at this stage) share that .iso or .img file because if its at least 4,7gig how do you expect to have any seeds and people willing letting their computers be on for DAYS until you have completed the downloading-process? Because I assume aint alot of people here with decent speed and I certainly wouldnt have the time to download just a single file for days, certainly not worth it.
Well, this is just the early planning stages for such a project, as A) I am waiting for dual-layer burners to come down in price a bit, and B) I need an external hard drive to record the interim AVIs, as it requires roughly twice as much space as the interim AVIs for making Divx/Xvid/whatever videos (because I have to store the AVI as generated by the emulator, and then I also have to store another AVI of similar size to hold the weaved version that will then be fed to an MPEG-2 encoder). As I use either Huffyuv or MJPEG at highest quality and full color resolution, these files do indeed get huge very quickly. I would then have enough space on my laptop's internal drive to build the DVD file structure (VIDEO_TS folder, .IFO, .BUP, .VOB files) and burn it to an external DL writer. As I'm going for best possible quality, I don't want to do it on just 4.7GB media.
These files wouldn't be offered for download by me (although anyone would be free to do so if they choose), it would be offered on DVD. I'd either go free, or media cost only (because I'd imagine DL media is quite expensive at this time - I even saw Circuit City selling an internal IDE DL writer, but I didn't see them selling any DL media). There would definitely be no profit made without the consent of the creators of all runs involved, of course.
Also, anyone would be free to duplicate and redistribute the DVDs - I'm not going to bottleneck their distribution by being the only one to make them. I don't see why I should, anyway, because they're not my runs.
Of course there would be a menu selection to read a bit more information about these speedruns, sort of like Why&Now. I like the idea of making these speedruns more accessible and this would be an attempt to head off yet more screams of 'fake' 'cheating' 'not real' 'game doesn't allow you to do that' 'frauds'. On a side note, this is the same reason I would support a project with the aim of making these movies run on hardware through some sort of controller interface (although I don't have enough experience to initiate such a project). But I'd figure it'd be possible, unless a movie relies on a Famtasia bug.
Joined: 4/21/2004
Posts: 3517
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
this is 2 major webpages that you need (and remember this is probably all you need) for buying dvd-burners och medias or comparing the prices but I dont know if they will ship it outside Scandinavia but give it a try:
www.wesellcd.com (best voted webbpage for cheapest dvd medias etc)
and:
http://buggy.no-ip.com/ (best webbpage for price comparison for dvd-burners and alots of more stuff in Scandinavia).
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
