Post subject: Discussion (venting) about the EU release of Rock Band
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Okay so as a European, I'm used to being fucked up the pooper by the American film and gaming industries on a daily basis. The following, however, I could not foresee, as it is by far the most ridiculous thing I've come across in a good while. Rock Band was released in the US in late 2007 for the Xbox 360, PS3 and PS2. The Wii version will be released in the US on June 22. The bundle with a guitar, a microphone, a drumkit and the game itself costs 169 USD, which is about 110 EUR. Harmonix took their sweet time announcing the European release, which we now know will happen in late May. I'm a patient guy and I don't mind a little waiting, so I would've been okay with that, but it was then announced that it will only be released for the Xbox 360 in May, and the other platforms will get the game August 29. Okay, so I thought it probably can't get any worse than this for a Wii owner so I didn't get too fired up at this point. As for the price, I was thinking that since in the US it costs 169 USD, they'll probably do what they always do, which is make a direct conversion to euros, making the price 169 EUR (260 USD). That's a bit much for just one game so I was still considering whether I would buy it or not. Then Harmonix dropped the real bomb: For a European, the whole package would cost 240 EUR. At first I thought that they made an error somewhere, that this is such a ridiculous number that it can't be true, that this must be part of some sadistic, leg pulling competition that game companies use to scare the shit out of their customers so they'll happily go back to buying games that are already ridiculously expensive. But it seems they're completely serious. 240 EUR for a game that costs 110 EUR in the US? To quote a wise man, what a shitload of fuck. Of course, it doesn't end there, oh no. To really cram that fist deeper into our non-American asses, they decided to first only release the game in Germany, France and the UK and see how it does before releasing it in any other European countries. No release date has been given for an all-European release. To make things even more expensive for their European friends, even the downloadable songs cost more in Europe. So how do they justify this subtle increase in price you ask? Well, it's the taxes and the shipping costs of course. There's an additional 17.5% VAT in Europe that doesn't exist in the US, so that's a 17.5% addition to the price right there. So yeah, it's completely logical that there's a 130% increase because of the 17.5% tax + shipping and localization costs. Right. Because the European pricetag is almost impotence-inducing in its full glory, the bundle will be sold in parts. That's right, you simply CANNOT purchase the whole set in one piece, you must buy the peripherals separately from the game. At first I thought that this might be a good thing, I could maybe just buy the game and play just the guitar parts with my GH3 guitar, if it happens to be compatible (yeah, that'll happen). But no, they took the final ray of hope from me when I saw the pricetag for JUST THE GAME: 70 EUR. Holy fucking shitstains Batman, have they no shame? For GH3 most of the price consists of the peripheral, and you can buy just the game for 30 EUR, so I thought it would be reasonable to assume that the same goes for RB as well. Well of course I should have known better. I sincerely hope that every single unit is left on the shelves untouched and that Harmonix and EA take a crippling financial blow that makes them bankcrupt and forces their managers to resort to prostituting themselves for food. That's what I have to say for now, any other thoughts?
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Well, that's indeed pretty fucked up. 240EUR is not a low price even for a standalone game PCB, but a console game that's not even a valuable collector's item? I think some people are just very eager to shoot themselves in the feet. With a bazooka or something.
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Import a Wii from USA! Problems solved. It's a little more expensive for the console itself, but well worth it. Or you could install a mod chip and then import just the games. Or even pirate them. Yeah, that'll show 'em.
Post subject: Re: Discussion (venting) about the EU release of Rock Band
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While I mostly agree with your points, I have some nitpicking.
Kyrsimys wrote:
At first I thought that this might be a good thing, I could maybe just buy the game and play just the guitar parts with my GH3 guitar, if it happens to be compatible (yeah, that'll happen).
Blame Activision. They're blocking the patch that allows Rock Band to use the same guitars. (Source on Wikipedia)
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I sincerely hope that every single unit is left on the shelves untouched and that Harmonix and EA take a crippling financial blow that makes them bankcrupt and forces their managers to resort to prostituting themselves for food. That's what I have to say for now, any other thoughts?
I feel this is a bit harsh. So you're wishing them harm for them to charge what they want for a game, just because you're unwilling to pay for it? It's not their obligation to make it the same price, and you're not obligated to buy it. You're not losing out on anything other than a game THEY made and YOU want. If you want it that bad then perhaps you should be blaming EA. They are the publishers trying to milk it for all its worth whereas Harmonix are the ones that pretty much came up with the concept you're craving so badly.
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Bad news, Kyrsimys, the wii version will suck. Crappy graphics (looks just like PS2), no downloadable content, and a severly washed out experience. Basically, they ported the damn thing from PS2 instead of taking the time to get some of the great features that the 360 version has... and, honestly, it isn't _that_ great of a game... :(
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Post subject: Re: Discussion (venting) about the EU release of Rock Band
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Raiscan wrote:
I feel this is a bit harsh. So you're wishing them harm for them to charge what they want for a game, just because you're unwilling to pay for it? It's not their obligation to make it the same price, and you're not obligated to buy it. You're not losing out on anything other than a game THEY made and YOU want. If you want it that bad then perhaps you should be blaming EA. They are the publishers trying to milk it for all its worth whereas Harmonix are the ones that pretty much came up with the concept you're craving so badly.
The doubled price absolutely cannot be explained by mere shipping costs and so on, which gives me a picture of money-grubbing corporate sharks swimming in a pool of money trying to make a killing because they know it's the only game of this type out there, i.e. they're abusing their "monopoly" position. They claim that they're doing everything they can to share the Rock Band experience with everyone and that they're doing all this for us gamers. That just seems like a steaming load to me, and I feel justified in hoping that they don't succeed in their attempt to extort us Europeans. I don't know anything about international economy and all that, so of course they could be telling the truth that if they lower the price they would be losing money. However, before someone shows me definite proof of the costs, I won't believe it because this kind of increase in price does not show in any other products, and saying that it's all because "the box is so big" again sounds like a total pile of crap. If the shipping costs truly mean a 100% increase in price, someone over at Harmonix/EA fucked some deal with a shipping company pretty bad.
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Kyrsimys wrote:
The doubled price absolutely cannot be explained by mere shipping costs and so on...
If you were in the USA, I would beg to differ.
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At least you guys are getting it. The US never even got Gimmick. Ya'll did...consider yourselves lucky.
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Deign wrote:
At least you guys are getting it.
Not necessarily. If it doesn't do well in Germany, France and the UK they might not release it any other European countries at all. At that price I don't really care though.
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are the peripherals pal/ntsc compatible ? could we poor europeans order the US pack and play with it on our pal consoles ? (yeah I know the games are region-locked, but I'm asking about the rest) Kyrsimys : buy a bluetooth dongle and play frets of fire.
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I've been looking forward to this arriving for a LONG time and i'm simply disgusted at the price. And to top it all off, there's apparently lots of hardware problems with the drumkit in particular (Weak peddles snapping off, over/under sensitive drum pads etc) and for a price tag like that, it all sounds like more bloody trouble than it's worth. Me and a few mates were planning on chipping in for it, grabbing a peripheral and game each then bringing it all together on any nights we had free, but if they wanna just ass ram us with a price tag over twice that others would pay, i'm turned off just on principal. I'm gonna have to sit and watch how this one develops, as a 360 owner it isnt as bad as it could be, but i'm still not happy.
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Larkin wrote:
And to top it all off, there's apparently lots of hardware problems with the drumkit in particular (Weak peddles snapping off, over/under sensitive drum pads etc) and for a price tag like that, it all sounds like more bloody trouble than it's worth.
This they've actually taken care of in the EU release, and the instruments will have a long warranty. I can't remember if it was 9 months or a year or something, but it's enough anyway. Actually I wonder if the EU price is that high because they need to cover the costs for all the broken pedals people have been returning or something.
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That would actually make sense, but if this is the case it's disgraceful they feel that us Europeans are the one that should take care of the bill for them. I still can't fully get my head around it because it's not even a tad more expensive to cover shipping or anything, its more than twice the fooking price from what i've gathered. And the thing that pisses me off most, it looks shit hot and I really wanna play it! Absolute worst case scenario is im gonna be skint for a month come payday I suppose!
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What I think is fairly interesting is that even if they did foresee that it wouldn't sell well with that kind of a price tag, they just can't lower the price without taking a big image hit. "Yes, we can actually sell this cheaper but we decided to try and milk the cash out of you" Well, fortunately music games aren't really my thing. ;)
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SXL wrote:
are the peripherals pal/ntsc compatible ?
Yes. You could even import a controller thing from Japan, and it would also work.
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then case solved, oughta buy the game here and import the pack of instruments from the US ; shipping should be worth the difference. now about the mic', is it really necessary ? who has a friend who would sing next to you good enough ? ;)
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You know Kyrsimys, you should be glad that they're driving you away from the game. Rock Band isn't that great, and if anything, the $200 price tag we had in the US seemed like too much as it was. Just don't get the game, save your money, and spend it on something else. Honestly, if people marking up the price of a video game is enough to throw you in to this much of a frenzy, you must lead a very simple life.
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Zurreco wrote:
Honestly, if people marking up the price of a video game is enough to throw you in to this much of a frenzy, you must lead a very simple life.
I think it's more the fact that it's being marked up unfairly. If you wanted something your cousin bought for $500 and they wanted to charge you $1000 for the same thing, you might be a bit peeved as well. But I guess it's just easier to throw out badly disguised insults.
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Xkeeper wrote:
But I guess it's just easier to throw out badly disguised insults.
Or be incessantly whiny about everything.
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I think it's more than fair to be annoyed when a game you've looked forward to for a long time is announced to be more than twice as expensive than you were expecting, ESPECIALLY when it wasn't exactly cheap in the first place. Meh, maybe it is whining or getting too worked up, but why not vent in the post created for the purpose of discussing the issue?
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Larkin wrote:
I wouldn't say I lived a very simple life and I wouldn't lable it as incessant whining either. I think it's more than fair to be annoyed when a game you've looked forward to for a long time is announced to be more than twice as expensive than you were expecting, ESPECIALLY when it wasn't exactly cheap in the first place. Meh, maybe it is whining or getting too worked up, but why not vent in the post created for the purpose of discussing the issue?
I was referring to XKeeper's continual whining, in the forum in general. I too think a 100% markup for an already expensive game is ridiculous.
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Sorry mate, i'd edited that out after I realised i'd posted it in error. You're one fast motherfucker! =]
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Actually, Rock Band wasn't an incredibly big deal for me. It wouldn't have been a must have for me even with a price tag of 160 EUR. What irks me the most here is the continuous kicking us Europeans in the balls by industries controlled almost exclusively by American companies. This is just the straw that broke the camel's back and sent me into a blind rage against Harmonix and EA. I can understand that it costs more for American companies to market and sell their products in Europe and I'm used to paying more for games and electronics, but here the gouging is just so obvious it makes me sick.
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100% markup seems like a massive blunder, but generally, its not hard to see where they are coming from. Markets have different character, as whats popular in USA might not be in japan or whatever, so selling something that has been successful here might not be elsewhere. Its a risk to the to market products in an untested setting, and in business, risk is costly. I guess what I'm getting at is that it sucks, but its no coincidence that EU and Australia launch dates run insanely behind, and might not even happen at all. Business people hate the prospect of risk. What I don't understand is the need to create region lockouts for DVDs and games.
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Twelvepack wrote:
100% markup seems like a massive blunder, but generally, its not hard to see where they are coming from. Markets have different character, as whats popular in USA might not be in japan or whatever, so selling something that has been successful here might not be elsewhere. Its a risk to the to market products in an untested setting, and in business, risk is costly. I guess what I'm getting at is that it sucks, but its no coincidence that EU and Australia launch dates run insanely behind, and might not even happen at all. Business people hate the prospect of risk. What I don't understand is the need to create region lockouts for DVDs and games.
It's to make us actually buy the games from the local area and not from the happy cheap dollar land. Well, at least ordering from outside EU tax zone is still slightly cheaper than the massively overpriced console games around here anyway.
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