This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2049: Ferret Warlord's GB Metroid 2 - Return of Samus "any%, glitched" in 23:40.92

Voting no because, according to this run, Super Metroid doesn't actually happen. >:(

What version of VBA does this use?

Megaman-caliber brokenness. I'm not a big fan of this game, but this is definitely a great movie. I recommend using a screenshot of the hatchling "IJKYZ." around frame 15,900, or the fully grown "HGFEDXWVU" toward the end.

Synced fine with 19.4.

(19:17:35) (Raiscan) I have no idea what's going on in this run whatsoever

FerretWarlord. The only one who can save us from alphabetti spaghetti metroid. Very amusing to watch. Yes Vote.

Lolwtf. And I kindly mean it. What in the name of flying lightbulb-fuck happened?

Wow, that was a blast to watch. I don't know what the heck happened, but with all those glitches and secret worlds flashing across the screen, I really didn't care. It's great to see that the select trick was finally done justice! Also, this was several years in the making, wasn't it? I remember a very long time ago when you first mentioned that you figured out how the select trick screwed with the buffer. I guess the last metroid is not in captivity.

Wow, that was a blast to watch. I don't know what the heck happened, but with all those glitches and secret worlds flashing across the screen, I really didn't care. It's great to see that the select trick was finally done justice! Also, this was several years in the making, wasn't it? I remember a very long time ago when you first mentioned that you figured out how the select trick screwed with the buffer. I guess the last metroid is not in captivity.

In a way, you are correct. Work had begun in the winter of '05, but it was mainly research. I probably would have continued, but I had that two-year mission coming up, so postponement was necessary. The actual run wasn't started until earlier this summer. And yes, it is nice to see the glitch done justice. That's pretty much to only reason I made it. ;P

Ahahaha! So many awesome moments. I knew this run was going to be good, but you surpassed my expectations. Good job.

I always like glitched runs, but sadly, they usually only last 5 minutes or so. A full length run like this one, entirely glitched out, is awesome. It was fun to watch all the way through, and had a ton of entertaining moments. A very well deserved yes vote from me!

Pretty entertaining run, even though half the game it looked like you were trying to hunt down all the missingno instead of all the metroid

I reiterate this from the last Super Metroid submission. Well that was just weird. Anyways, I like Screenshot 16.

so maybe men can't ask for directions when they're lost, but leave it to a woman to completely reject reality and make her own way! yes vote.

Now to apply this trick to the other Metroid II run!

This run was damn cool. I'm wondering if someone will find quicker routes at some point in the future, given it sounds like you found most by accident. What I'm trying to say is, this game/run deserves more attention than Super Metroid, IMO.

I love the main corridor theme.[gripe] Why have areas with no music, just annoying little animal sounds?[/gripe] Samus, Alphabet Hunter Watched the run, enjoyed it (will vote yes in a moment) have a few questions. Was amused around frame ~32000 how you killed what looked to be the same metroid three times in a loop. (Dratted level design that's not very distinct) At about 37800, can't you fall down the hole and fire up at the metroid instead, saving a death animation? This is the only one I saw that isn't obviously neatly-pulled-off or much-too-far-to-screen-transit. That damage-boost plus glitch did look pretty difficult to accomplish, each time you did it. What's the second item you grab whose tiles you don't allow to load? (right after ice beam, also in a Chozo statue hand, frame 13000) I know the first was Spider Ball, because then you started using it. in the corridor beginning at 58200, could you have killed any of those enemies for energy without wasting time (or, I suppose as importantly, missiles). At least the low health warning is tasteful in this game. Amused at the most visibly obvious bit of screwing-with-map around 60500, where you go right and then left and a block disappears. Around frame 66000 (I think, might be off...) why do you go through a warp and back? I'm guessing earthquake changed it and you had to reload to get that? Very good quick way into the second-to-last area at 70000. (Okay, I like this music too, because it's music.) Are the Queen's projectiles undodgeable? It looks kind of messy just getting hit by them...does she not eat you if you do? How many of the metroids you killed weren't in normal map boundaries? (Ones I'm guessing at: ~51500- but then I recognize several bits of map, just wrong tileset) What happens if you glitch directly to the Queen and kill her? (Can you?) I have the feeling that you only get to fly away in ship when Queen is dead and Metroids == 0... What's going on with the enemy at 63500? For brownie points: Well, the hatchling was already mentioned, as was getting in from bottom...No clue.

I have never voted yes on a Metroid 2 submission, because I dispise the game, and I'm always bored when watching it. But I actually enjoyed this, and that's saying something. :) Yes vote.

wow-o, that just completely blew me away. For a game that has a lot of empty moments, this run kept me thoroughly enjoyed. I bow down to you. May I answer the brownie question? Usually when you enter the ship, the activation device is in the center, but you proceed to walk right in order to activate it. :)

I'm confused with the route and such in a normal Metroid 2 run, as I don't know anything about the map in this game. But this is just insane to see and I have basically no idea what's happening, just great :D.

So do people think we need three Metroid 2 runs published, or should this obsolete the current any% run? Currently the any% and 100% are very similar in content due to the linear nature of the game, and I'm personally in favor of having an "any%, glitched" and "100%, non-glitched", but I'd like to hear others opinions on it.

So do people think we need three Metroid 2 runs published

Yes.

Currently the any% and 100% are very similar in content due to the linear nature of the game

It's not really that linear (less so than Metroid Fusion, for instance), unless you mean it in the context of getting from start to finish. The reason the two runs have not much difference timewise is that getting the auxiliary items lets you catch up significantly by the time you beat the last boss.

a list of questions

Good, legitimate questions. I shall answer. The second glitched item I pick up is the bombs. If you think that's bad, a 100% run would pick up what looks to be the spazer but is actually the space jump! ;P That zeta was too far off for shooting up to be practical. Besides, zetas and omegas are invulnerable to missiles moving up or down, so it wouldn't have worked anyway. No, those guys are too tough to be worth killing. What I should have done, though, was either find a way around them or freeze them before landing. Ten more hit points would have been wonderful on the gamma after the glitch warp around there. (also, these guys don't drop missiles; enemies drop only health or missiles, but never both, which is why that one enemy I farmed earlier was my only chance: everything would have just given me health) Spider floating. Jimsfriend found that alternating between spider ball and normal every frame in midair allows you to stay floating. That's just the way the game is set up. Kill the alpha, trigger the earthquake, head back and find an omega where you came from. The only way I know of to dodge Her Highness's projectiles is with the high jump boots. Aside from that, the way I took damage there was very deliberate as it caused her projectiles to exit stage right instead of up, saving eight frames per round. Believe it or not, all the metroids I kill are on the normal map. There is nothing, no enemies, items, or metroids, in the secret worlds aside from Samus and some landscape tiles. All the messed up areas you saw were parts of the regular map with a different tileset. Warping to the queen wouldn't do. It is possible, but she won't be active until all the other 46 metroids are destroyed and you enter her room the way you normally do. Not like glitching to the fight would matter: In order to finish the game, memory address D089, the variable that counts how many metroids are left, must read 0, so I'd have to take care of the other 46 anyway.

May I answer the brownie question? Usually when you enter the ship, the activation device is in the center, but you proceed to walk right in order to activate it. :)

Not quite, but you are on the right track. Here's a hint: the activation device inside the ship at the end of the game is actually just a regular missile recharge station. If you can tell me why it was on the right instead of in the middle, you'll have completed the challenge! :P Glad you all have enjoyed it so far! Thank you!

Oh! It must be because you returned to the ship at the beginning of the game, rather than the one at the end of the game! Brilliant!

A winner is you, CAD! In truth, the way to end the game is to finish off all 47 metroids and recharge your missiles. Any missile recharge will do, it's just that ordinarily you're limited to the ship at the end when you do so. You see, when you touch a recharge station, it first checks to see if D089, the memory location for the number of metroids left, is zero; if so, end the game, if not, fill missiles. So I just glitched back to the beginning of the game because it was so much closer! ;P The original plan was to work over to the station outside the final ruins, but tileset issues set in and wouldn't let me.