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Posted: 12/23/2008 5:40 AM

Post subject: "Real Life Tool-Assisted Speedrun (TAS)?"

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alden

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http://www.glowingfaceman.com/2008/07/real-life-tool-assisted-speedrun-tas.html Sorry to spam, but this "blag" or whatnot made me laugh... curtesy of Google! Maybe it's one of you?

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Posted: 12/23/2008 7:08 AM

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Wow. I had some of the exact same ideas as him before. O_O...

Posted: 12/23/2008 9:33 AM
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Making the whole making world love you in the fastest time had a flawed strategy. Given that it would always cause at least 1% of people to disaprove of your actions. The fastest way would be to create some brain washing chemical and get it into the worlds water supply, making everyone love by you by giving them uncontrollable emotions EDIT: Or you could create some disease which spreads very easilly, eventually covering the entire Earth's atmosphere and hence infecting everyone.

Posted: 12/23/2008 9:46 AM

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Good idea, AKA.

Posted: 12/23/2008 10:52 AM

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I was thinking about something similar before. How long would it take to cross a country or get from city A to city B without using vehicles or planes, if you were "TAS'd"? Could you survive a fall from 1000m and be completely unharmed afterwards?

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Posted: 12/23/2008 12:04 PM

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What I think would be awesome would be using extreme precision to jump up walls at every 16 pixel boundary.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 1:33 PM
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MUGG wrote:

Could you survive a fall from 1000m and be completely unharmed afterwards?

For this kind of questions, I found that one turn-based physics-engine ragdoll fight game whosenameIdontrememberrightnow very promising, though ultimately a letdown. EDIT: Toribash.

Posted: 12/23/2008 1:38 PM

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MUGG wrote:

Could you survive a fall from 1000m and be completely unharmed afterwards?

Not unless there are debris that can absorb the kinetic energy in the way of your fall, that won't immediately kill or incapacitate you upon interaction. You won't be able to cancel even 10% of it with merely the resouce of your own body, definitely not until the physics is at work here.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 1:47 PM

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Lets think outside the box here. How about a fall under very low gravity? Or if you don't touch the ground until after you've fallen 1000m?

Posted: 12/23/2008 1:48 PM

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Actually I think the TAS of "make everyone in the world love you" would be deceptively simple if you just use luck manipulation so that the moment you're born, everybody has the exact right brain chemistry to love you.

How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.

Posted: 12/23/2008 1:50 PM

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upthorn wrote:

Actually I think the TAS of "make everyone in the world love you" would be deceptively simple if you just use luck manipulation so that the moment you're born, everybody has the exact right brain chemistry to love you.

You'd have to make quite a bot to do that

Posted: 12/23/2008 1:55 PM

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P.JBoy wrote:

Lets think outside the box here. How about a fall under very low gravity? Or if you don't touch the ground until after you've fallen 1000m?

Outside-the-box enough to have a parachute, then?

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Posted: 12/23/2008 2:00 PM

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Posted: 12/23/2008 5:04 PM

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Open-roofed pillow factory?

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Posted: 12/23/2008 5:17 PM

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P.JBoy wrote:

Lets think outside the box here. How about a fall under very low gravity? Or if you don't touch the ground until after you've fallen 1000m?

How much time until the fall? Time enough to call someone to put a big cushion at the right spot? Any possibility to maneuver the fall so as to catch something that slows down the fall without injuring you mortally? Let's still assume that mugg's question pertained to real life physics and a scenario where under normal circumstances, a fatal splash with solid surface would be imminent. Any possibility to sacrifice one's limbs for cushioning the fall to protect the vital parts of the body? Satisfied with living permanently in a timeloop of the entire fall without ever crashing, a savestate always being loaded?

Posted: 12/23/2008 5:21 PM

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Bisqwit wrote:

Satisfied with living permanently in a timeloop of the entire fall without ever crashing, a savestate always being loaded?

Or perhaps going to the menu and selecting "Replay movie from beginning" and "Read only". (yes, this joke is not funny) Though this brings up a slightly interesting side-note: what if there were a read-only mode? It could be interesting, depending on the mechanics of how it worked.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 7:08 PM

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P.JBoy wrote:

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Amusingly, you've illustrated the very essense of our misunderstanding: while I'm trying to interpret the situation directly (i.e., completing the "game" with normal entry conditions and a definite end goal with superhuman precision), what you're doing is swapping goals, making them easier to attain, or plain irrelevant (using cheats or not attaining the "best ending", essentially). It's somewhat different from thinking outside the box, if I interpret MUGG's conditions correctly. Rather, it's just thinking about something completely different.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 7:28 PM

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"JAT stewardess Vesna Vulović survived a fall of 33,000 feet (over 10,000 meters)[1] on January 26, 1972 when she was thrown from JAT Flight 364." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-fall So, yes I guess it's possible. However she did fall into an open roofed pillow factory.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 7:50 PM

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Any possibility to sacrifice one's limbs for cushioning the fall to protect the vital parts of the body?

That's why I wrote "completely unharmed" :) Somehow, all the momentum would have to be released, without damaging the body. In some games, after falling from a high distance, you can roll to lower the damage you took. (It's applicable in reality I think.) As for survived falls: Are there any that do not involve pillow factories or bushes?

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Posted: 12/23/2008 8:02 PM

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very interesting discussion :)

MUGG wrote:

As for survived falls: Are there any that do not involve pillow factories or bushes?

fairly recently a guy survived a fall with semi-failing parachute (I'd say it was functioning as good as a set of cloths shaped like a parachute...) Ok he wasn't unharmed though (looking for an article of it atm) video footage: http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/2/Man-Survives-BOTH-parachutes-failing-224503.html

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Posted: 12/23/2008 10:17 PM

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I definitely think it's possible to survive a 1 km freefall under TAS conditions, but only if you could take you clothes off and make a parachute out of them in time. :P A better question would be whether or not you could trick SDA into accepting a speedrun done under these conditions. EDIT: And what period of time would constitute one "frame"? A planck time? If so, optimizing even a single second of "gameplay" would take a ludicrously long amount of time.

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Posted: 12/23/2008 10:28 PM

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Assuming you can't lower your velocity with air resistance, you might as well just jump out with rollerblades and land on an extremely large quarter-pipe.

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Posted: 12/24/2008 3:21 PM

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I'd like to add another condition for "getting a billion dollars in the fastest time". What about if you had to it in a way which either A: fully covered your tracks B: legitimitley get a hold of a billion dollars

Posted: 12/24/2008 3:40 PM

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I've seen that film. It is interesting.

RT-55J wrote:

And what period of time would constitute one "frame"? A planck time? If so, optimizing even a single second of "gameplay" would take a ludicrously long amount of time.

I've heard that brain signals travel at about 60 m/s, so probably on that order.