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mmbossman wrote:
Many species of animals have been shown to be able to learn and utilize tools, so intellect is definitely not what sets us apart.
I understand the need to combat anthropocentrism, but this I find misleading. No other species has the ability to think rationally or to manipulate objects (via an opposable appendage) on the same level as humans. Currently, only humans have the potential to improve themselves. Of course this whole discussion about what "sets [humans] apart" I consider entirely subjective, but I think that we should still recognize the facts.
Bisqwit wrote:
[1] Guess which option they chose.
Wow. I don't think I can add anything to this. Warp:
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curtmack wrote:
while genderless entities were typically referred to with feminine pronouns.
I think this is the root of calling things like ships and cars 'she', etc. Just a FYI. :)
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Actually we don't know the origin of that practice. I didn't think that it came from grammatical gender, though, because "scip" and "land" both had the neuter gender.
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mmbossman wrote:
Many species of animals have been shown to be able to learn and utilize tools, so intellect is definitely not what sets us apart.
Can other species even learn linear algebra?
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Bisqwit wrote:
[1]
This is pretty much the reason I could never be a christian:
God wrote:
'But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 26:15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 26:16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
Even the mafia is more subtle then this! He's outright threatening me. "Do as I say, OR ELSE". I don't cower for bullies. I don't give up my lunch money because else I'd get a punch in the stomach. Why would I ever heed the words of someone who threatens me? There's not much free will in "either you do as I say, or you die. Badly.", and I'd rather keep my pride and be smitten down then succumb simple because he happens to be bigger then me. I can totally sympathize with Onan.
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Neophos wrote:
This is pretty much the reason I could never be a christian:
God wrote:
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Even the mafia is more subtle then this!
And yet some people say God's word is difficult to understand ;)
Neophos wrote:
I don't cower for bullies.
Well, consider your position for a while. You're not a peer to God.
Neophos wrote:
I'd rather keep my pride and be smitten down then succumb simple because he happens to be bigger then me.
Much like a cat that refuses tasty food because it's not presented in a manner she likes. > When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. > Where there is strife, there is pride, but wisdom is found in those who take advice. > Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. (Proverbs chapters 11, 13, 16) God does not want to beat people to submission. But he does not compromise his laws. He may be merciful ― anything you quoted was more merciful than the destruction of the entire nation that would probably have been the "right" punishment for not keeping the law ― but he doesn't say "oh, have it your way. I'm going home". It's not like the law is whimsical, and that keeping it was a burden. Do read also about the blessings he promised if they keep the law. Sure, all lawmakers say "it's for your own good", but with God, who are you to judge him? (And if you now start saying "but the laws were inventions of the people, there's no God", who are you then angry at?)
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RT-55J wrote:
mmbossman wrote:
Many species of animals have been shown to be able to learn and utilize tools, so intellect is definitely not what sets us apart.
Can other species even learn linear algebra?
No, can humans learn how to regrow limbs like many amphibians can? There are obviously many things that humans can do that animals can't, but the converse is also true. My point was that many animals are much smarter than what science used to think, not that they can do everything we can do, just as we can't do everything animals can do. (I would also mention that not all humans can do algebra, even after being taught it).
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RT-55J wrote:
Can other species even learn linear algebra?
Certain species of monkeys could like an Urang-u-tang. Although it would require an intensive training process to pull it off.
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Orangutans are not known to consciously work out linear algebra of any grand consequence. They have been taught sign language, however.
Kirby said so, so it must be true. ( >'.')>
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Rridgway wrote:
What defining traits set us apart from animals?
There are physical differences between all creatures, but all creatures except humans are mentally pretty much equal. So that is what sets us apart. The mental/spiritual differences. And the results of that difference you can of course see everywhere around us, even right in front of you.
LagDotCom wrote:
curtmack wrote:
while genderless entities were typically referred to with feminine pronouns.
I think this is the root of calling things like ships and cars 'she', etc. Just a FYI. :)
Yes, clocks are called she too. It's because women are more like objects and men are more like subjects.
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nfq wrote:
Rridgway wrote:
What defining traits set us apart from animals?
There are physical differences between all creatures, but all creatures except humans are mentally pretty much equal. [1] So that is what sets us apart. The mental/spiritual differences. [2] And the results of that difference you can of course see everywhere around us, even right in front of you.
1. No, they're not all stupid. What science said 30 years ago no longer applies. Ta Da! 2. Strictly speaking, we cannot determine if animals have souls or not, we just assume mankind is "special".
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Bisqwit wrote:
Well, consider your position for a while. You're not a peer to God.
I sympathize with Neophos in that I could never (again) adhere to an Abrahamic religion, not just because of the metaphysics, but also because they seem to have their root in authoritarianism.
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Rridgway wrote:
2. Strictly speaking, we cannot determine if animals have souls or not, we just assume mankind is "special".
Strictly speaking, we cannot determine if humans have souls or not, we just assume.
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Rridgway wrote:
2. Strictly speaking, we cannot determine if animals have souls or not, we just assume mankind is "special".
I think everything has a soul, but it's interesting that animal ghosts are very rare compared to human ghosts. Even ghosts of inanimate objects like trains and ships seem to be more common than ghosts of animals.
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nfq: to what religion/memeticity do you adhere?
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Bob A wrote:
nfq: to what religion/memeticity do you adhere?
I don't adhere to any religion because I think all religions and ancient myths have some truth in them. According to them, ancient people were more intelligent/evolved than we are today. They were so intelligent that some less intelligent people even called them gods. They studied the world much longer than modern science has done, that's why I often trust ancient 'myths' more than modern science.
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nfq wrote:
They studied the world much longer than modern science has done
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!! Is this some kind of super-extreme version of 'in my day'-ism where you say things were better even before you or anybody alive today was born? In that case I'd like to nominate the 1100s!
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After I wrote about God's calling, many people have asked me, how does God call people. How does God communicate? After a long ponder of how and whether I should respond, for many of those are not asking seriously, here is my response anyway. Most commonly, I think, God's calling is comparable to an urge. In a similar manner as how migratory birds just know that now is their time to leave, sometimes God's will builds up inside you as an intuitive feeling that one must do something. It is not the only way, though. At biblical times, God occasionally called up some people as prophets. Those prophets were ordinary people who were thoroughly dedicated to serving God for the greater good; they lived a quite different live than other ordinary people. And God used them; he put words in their mouths. Literally. They would open their mouth, and without a single plan, they would speak out words that come from the God. Often, they would be shocked of the words as they spoke them, because the contents were a surprise to them as well. Often, those were words that they rather not dare to speak ― Jonah's case is a good example ― but they have to, for the obedience to God. Such speaking was not usually done casually ― it was after long fasting, etc., that it came. Prophets were usually needed when God's word needed to be delivered to many people, or to an entire nation, at once. In today's world, prophets still exist ― they are even more common than they were at biblical times. Those prophets usually work in a congregation, serving the congregation's needs ― even the needs of singular people. Sometimes God's word is received through those prophets. I have received such word as well. Sometimes, the intuitive feeling inside me confirms whether it is God's word or not. False prophets exist too. I wrote this for the help of those who want to know. If you want to debunk these words, do so. I don't care; debating of the issue won't help me or anyone else. Post an X-Files I-want-to-believe poster if you want. Be a temple robber if you want. You will receive your reward.
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"You will receive your reward." What do you mean by this?
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I think this is sarcastic, meaning that "you will receive your punishment" from god sooner or later, if doing things he doesn't want you to do.
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Fabian wrote:
"You will receive your reward." What do you mean by this?
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Bisqwit wrote:
1 = 3
How do you figure?
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mr_roberts_z wrote:
Bisqwit wrote:
1 = 3
How do you figure?
a = b a^2 = ab a^2 - ab = a^2 - ab 1(a^2 - ab) = 3(a^2 - ab) 1 = 3 Though technically this is false as you are dividing by 0...
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How 'bout something even screwier? e^(2pi*i) = 1 ln(e^(2pi*i)) = ln(1) Since ln(e^a) = a... ...and ln(1)=0... 2pi*i = 0 ??? (yes, order of operations and all that, but it's still fun to do this kind of stuff!)
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duksandfish wrote:
1(a^2 - ab) = 3(a^2 - ab) 1 = 3
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