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Posted: 1/14/2009 2:34 AM

Post subject: The big PUSH!

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andymac

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I recently got a baseball style cap from a project that my father was working on, a fairly large project codenamed "iceberg". I was assuming it was big due to the fact that all members working on this project had sworn secrecy, which generally means the project would be some value to those who like to exploit insider trading. Anyways, the cap read: "THE BIG PUSH: icebergers go hard or go home". It was a really stupid hat, and I quickly got the old jerry can out and lit it up, before anyone else was subjected to it's horror. However, the above paragraph is completely irrelevant to what I am trying to achieve in this post. I just didn't want all that typing to go to waste. What I wanted to do is start a big PUSH!, and start getting non-TASers to start TASing, or at least get the ball rolling. So if anyone can suggest a way to encourage non-TASers to TAS, without displaying pictures of boobs on-site or promising financial gain (for the slightly older audience), that would be great. If I can get even two people to start TASing I would have achieved my goal. If it requires changing something about the site I can't promise anything, But I'll try to talk to Bisquit and see if it can be done. It doesn't matter how outlandish you think you're suggestion is, (if it's skydiving or something like that it probably won't happen), but if you have a reasonable suggestion that can actually be accomplished, Ill see what I can do. P.S.Also can anyone tell me the correct pronunciation of TAS? I always pronounced it tazz. KTHXBAI

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Posted: 1/14/2009 8:13 AM

Post subject: Re: The big PUSH!

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ShinyDoofy

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Do I already count as "submitted one TAS and will probably never do another one ever again"?

andymac wrote:

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Posted: 1/14/2009 1:38 PM

Post subject: Re: The big PUSH!

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Johannes

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andymac wrote:

P.S.Also can anyone tell me the correct pronunciation of TAS? I always pronounced it tazz.

Each letter should be pronounced separately.

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Posted: 1/14/2009 1:49 PM

Post subject: Re: The big PUSH!

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Randil

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andymac wrote:

P.S.Also can anyone tell me the correct pronunciation of TAS? I always pronounced it tazz.

I pronounce it something like "tazz" too. However, when talking about TAS videos with someone, I say "tool-assisted speedrun" instead of TAS, because I know that if I just say TAS they'll just ask what a TAS is. But I guess the correct way is to pronounce each letter separately.

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Posted: 1/14/2009 3:08 PM

Post subject: Re: The big PUSH!

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Bisqwit

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andymac wrote:

P.S.Also can anyone tell me the correct pronunciation of TAS? I always pronounced it tazz.

Like so: IPA: /ˈtæs/ As in the English word "task" but without "k". TASVideos: /ˈtæsˈvɪdˈɛəʊz/

Posted: 1/14/2009 3:34 PM

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Mukki

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I've always pronounced it as Bisqwit said, but sometimes I pronounce all the letters in certain contexts i.e "I'm logging on to tasvideos!" or "He's made some great tasses!" but sometimes it's "I see no reason to encourage people to T.A.S! The site has survived well on a 'do it if you want to' basis". Kind of weird, but still no idea where some people get 'tazz' from...

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Posted: 1/15/2009 1:45 AM

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I've never pronounced it any other way than to say the letters. You don't call a CPA a 'ceepah', or an MD a 'muhduh,' or a Ph.D. a 'PhuD.' The NIH is not 'neh,' the FBI is not 'feebi,' the BBC is not 'bebeac.' Seriously. It's an acronym. Say the letters.

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Posted: 1/15/2009 1:50 AM

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andrewg

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So it this thread about pronunciation instead then? T A S I'm sure you could convince console speedrunners to submit TASes. Honestly, it's helped me with my speedrunning a bit (Knowledge wise anyway).

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Posted: 1/15/2009 2:18 AM

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Ferret_Warlord

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DarkKobold wrote:

You don't call ... a Ph.D. a 'PhuD.'

You would if you were in Nowhere Land. :P

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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:10 AM

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andymac

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DarkKobald wrote:

Seriously. It's an acronym. Say the letters.

That's quite a harsh generalisation. You don't pronounce EFTPOS ee-ef-tee-pee-oh-es. you say eftpos. Which stands for electronic funds transfer whatever. You also don't say el-ay-es-ee-ar, you say laser, which is another acronym other acronyms such as scuba, radar, and amphetamines, are all pronounced phonetically rather than letter by letter. There is also no generalisation when it comes to capitalisation of acronyms. PIN is fully capital and is not pronounced pee-eye-en. It is however true that most acronyms intended to be pronounced letter by letter are fully capitalised.

Bisquit wrote:

TASVideos: /ˈtæsˈvɪdˈɛəʊz/

Also Bisquit runs the site and he says it's pronounced task without the k. The correct pronunciation is either that or /tʊl'əs'ɪs'tɛd'suː'pʌr'pleɪ/ pronunciation: Wiki (in the wiki, əʊ is oʊ and there are possibly other changes as well.) I also think I must pronounce task differently from you, but /tæs/is objective. I think that sums it up well enough..

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Posted: 1/15/2009 4:26 AM

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errror1

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I can't think of any TLAs that are only ever pronounced as a word. I have heard people pronounce FAQ as a word and it just sounds wrong. In any case I think it's a matter of game choice. I would do one but all the games I played in my childhood are ether done better then I ever could ( A boy and his blob ) or not appropriate for Tasing ( NES Wheel of Fortune ). However if there was a NGPC emu with recording I would start tasing card fighters right now.

Posted: 1/15/2009 8:01 AM

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arflech

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DarkKobold wrote:

Seriously. It's an acronym. Say the letters.

Actually an acronym *is* pronounced like a word; "TAS" is an initialism.

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Posted: 1/15/2009 9:11 AM

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Initialisms are read phonetically. Alphabetisms are read letter by letter. Acronyms are a set of words that include alphabetisms and initialisms. I knew I'd missed something

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Posted: 1/15/2009 9:39 AM

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I think "phonetical spelling" is the worst bad joke in English. Seriously. "a" is sometimes an /ə/ vowel (schwa, such as in "woman" or "a"), sometimes an /eɪ/ diphthong (such as in "bake", "cater"), sometimes an /e/ vowel (such as in "bait"), sometimes an /æ/ vowel (am. "cat"), sometimes an /ɑː/ long vowel (br. "task"), sometimes an /a/ vowel (br. "cat"), sometimes an /ɪ/ vowel ("break"), sometimes an /ʊ/ vowel ("boat"), sometimes an /ɔ/ vowel ("pause"), sometimes an /i/ vowel ("beak")… How's that phonetical, when you can't make heads or tails how a letter is to be pronounced? Using English spelling rules is extremely unsuitable for expressing pronounciation. You need to add extra letters such as "h" to work around the inconveniences of the spelling system to express what you want. And still you cannot express how to pronounce the Finnish name of Yliluoma (IPA: /yliluomɑ/), for example. That's why I always use IPA. Letters in IPA pronounciation keys are always pronounced the same way no matter what surrounding context or what language they represent (with exception allophones, which are miniscule variations in the phoneme).

Posted: 1/15/2009 10:08 AM

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arflech

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^I wish English were more like Spanish (I heard Finnish also has a good correspondence between orthography and pronunciation).

andymac wrote:

Initialisms are read phonetically. Alphabetisms are read letter by letter. Acronyms are a set of words that include alphabetisms and initialisms. I knew I'd missed something

Actually, "initialism" and "alphabetism" are synonyms, acronyms are read as words instead of letter-by-letter, and the general term is "abbreviation."

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Posted: 1/15/2009 11:21 AM

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arflech wrote:

Actually, "initialism" and "alphabetism" are synonyms, acronyms are read as words instead of letter-by-letter, and the general term is "abbreviation."

I don't think "abbreviation" has anything to do with the subject. An abbreviation is using, for example, "etc." instead of "etcetera" or "inc." instead of "incorporated".

Posted: 1/15/2009 11:38 AM

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Warp wrote:

arflech wrote:
Actually, "initialism" and "alphabetism" are synonyms, acronyms are read as words instead of letter-by-letter, and the general term is "abbreviation."
I don't think "abbreviation" has anything to do with the subject. An abbreviation is using, for example, "etc." instead of "etcetera" or "inc." instead of "incorporated".

We also have "DeSmuME" for "DS emulator for ME" and "i18n" for "internationalization"...the term "abbreviation" is very general. Also, to be super-anal, the long form of "etc." is the Latin et cetera.

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Posted: 1/15/2009 12:58 PM

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andymac

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arflech wrote:

Actually, "initialism" and "alphabetism" are synonyms

Quite right, I somehow misread the google definition

arflech wrote:

Also, to be super-anal, the long form of "etc." is the Latin et cetera.

That is super-anal, but correct.

Bisquit wrote:

I think "phonetical spelling" is the worst bad joke in English.

I think that that statement would be fairly obvious considering that we're having a discussion about the pronunciation of a three letter word. Even with the help of IPA and such, people can still pronounce words differently to each other possibly due to regional dialects or misunderstanding. TAS falls into the second category. I think that due to the fact that no-one is actually speaking to each other, as long as TAS's spelling is correct, no-one knows the difference. It seems that a lot of surprise was generated when the actual pronunciation was known, I was surprised to find the pronunciation was with an s, rather than a z sound. Other people couldn't understand how people could say tazz. This seems to be a characteristic of regional dialect; there is a difference between a New Zealand and an American accent for example. Or the seemingly obvious example of Bisquit and I pronouncing Task differently. This is one of the reasons, I think, that it is accepted that English is one of the hardest languages to learn: because it's not phonetically accurate.

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Posted: 1/15/2009 4:21 PM

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Amusingly enough, I find myself saying the word "etsee" instead of "et cetera" more often than not. But I have an excuse! *nix operating systems have a directory named "etc", and if you want to refer to that directory, you'd better not try to call it "et cetera", which would be a totally different and probably nonexistent directory. In other words, this is a case where an abbreviation became a word in its own right.

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Posted: 1/15/2009 4:27 PM

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arflech

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Derakon wrote:

Amusingly enough, I find myself saying the word "etsee" instead of "et cetera" more often than not. But I have an excuse! *nix operating systems have a directory named "etc", and if you want to refer to that directory, you'd better not try to call it "et cetera", which would be a totally different and probably nonexistent directory. In other words, this is a case where an abbreviation became a word in its own right.

I often think of it as "etk" because I have a hard time pronouncing c as a "soft c" unless it is immediately before e, i, or y.

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Posted: 1/16/2009 4:21 AM

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How is arguing how to pronounce words going to encourage non-TASers to make TASes.

Posted: 1/16/2009 5:04 AM

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Easy, it doesn't. However, the idea of "The Big Push!" has inspired me to at least try again. I think I have a game I could actually use to TAS where I'm not intimidated because I have to dig into the game and understand things I don't understand in order to do a TAS. All I have to do is hope there's enough interest in the game and I'm all set.

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Posted: 1/16/2009 7:10 AM

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The problem with newbies making TASes is that, well... Consider how highly you've raised the bar. Most well-known games are at the point of subpixels/halfframes/whatever optimization. To the point where assembly or extensive knowledge of emulator-external tools is known. You have basically strived for a level of perfection so high that only the people who got that far in the first place can achieve it. I don't honestly expect many newcomers to start TASing any time soon for this reason. Flame on, etc.

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Posted: 1/16/2009 7:23 AM
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Xkeeper wrote:

Consider how highly you've raised the bar.

Yeah, I've been seeing a fair bit of "This would've been accepted then, but standards are higher now" in submissions... Some of it is justifiable in what's achievable easily with slowdown/pause/rerecording only vs. frame advance, etc. but only some. Oh, and TAS like task minus k is how I mentally pronounce it. [English pronunciation is rather tricky e'en when you grow up with it; there are more holes than rules. Several sayings artfully depict this.] "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." --James D. Nicoll [/offtopic15c]