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Yes I believe Firefox still suffers from the same issues I pointed out. I think Firefox in recent versions have also gotten even more issues, not to mention I found more things about Gecko that annoy me.
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Well I know an annoying thing about Mozilla is how involved the build process is; one time I tried to make an optimized build of Camino, similar to Swiftfox for Linux or the Pigfoot builds for Windows, but it took a long time and failed anyway (then I found rpm-mozilla.org.uk)
I still start thinking about trying to make an -O3 PGO build of SeaMonkey 2 for Windows with jemalloc and all those other speed improvements, and then I notice you need to install the "mozilla-build" system:(
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That day chrome came out it was crashing on 90% of the computers I've seen it running (or trying to). Also, it didn't have plugins for ogame. I never touched it again.
Chrome is good, but they have to rework the history system, also, they have to limit the size the history and thumnails can grow. Right now is ludicruous!
I still use it, but I think that's a major flaw.
That day chrome came out it was crashing on 90% of the computers I've seen it running (or trying to). Also, it didn't have plugins for ogame. I never touched it again.
Chrome has since gone from version 0.8 to version 3, becoming more usable in the process.
As you might guess from my avatar, my favorite browser is Opera, because of its low memory usage and high speed despite the number of features built in, and especially because it is the most secure browser.
Then again it isn't compatible with a lot of sites, and although it does a good job of following current standards, it isn't particularly innovative in implementing the upcoming CSS3 and HTML5 standards the way Firefox and Chrome and Safari are.
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arflech wrote:
Then again it isn't compatible with a lot of sites, and although it does a good job of following current standards, it isn't particularly innovative in implementing the upcoming CSS3 and HTML5 standards the way Firefox and Chrome and Safari are.
You think that's bad? Gecko and Webkit, and even Opera are 10 years behind IE when it comes to implementing text related support.
Gecko and Opera just got @font-face support in their latest versions, IE has had it for 12 years now.
All the CSS3 stuff they're trying to implement is cool flashy stuff, but forget useful text features like text-justify which IE had since version 5, and is one of the most sensible things to add.
Wake me up when Firefox, or Opera, or Safari or whoever finally support Arabic and Chinese CSS features which IE has had for years.
Warp wrote:
arflech wrote:
and although it does a good job of following current standards
I have got the impression that Opera tries to both emulate IE and implement the W3C standards at the same time, which sometimes can clash.
That's the impression I got from Gecko.
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Gecko and Opera just got @font-face support in their latest versions, IE has had it for 12 years now.
All the CSS3 stuff they're trying to implement is cool flashy stuff, but forget useful text features like text-justify which IE had since version 5, and is one of the most sensible things to add.
Yeah, seeing how CSS3 hasn't even been ratified yet, I really see how it makes sense for Firefox and Opera to implement CSS3 features 12 years ago.
Wake me up when Firefox, or Opera, or Safari or whoever finally support Arabic and Chinese CSS features which IE has had for years.
Say, does IE finally support alpha-channeled PNG images? Because Firefox and Opera have supported them out-of-the-box from year 0.
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Warp wrote:
Nach wrote:
Gecko and Opera just got @font-face support in their latest versions, IE has had it for 12 years now.
All the CSS3 stuff they're trying to implement is cool flashy stuff, but forget useful text features like text-justify which IE had since version 5, and is one of the most sensible things to add.
Yeah, seeing how CSS3 hasn't even been ratified yet, I really see how it makes sense for Firefox and Opera to implement CSS3 features 12 years ago.
@font-face was in CSS2.
Warp wrote:
Wake me up when Firefox, or Opera, or Safari or whoever finally support Arabic and Chinese CSS features which IE has had for years.
Say, does IE finally support alpha-channeled PNG images? Because Firefox and Opera have supported them out-of-the-box from year 0.
It's funny that you can get transparent PNG in IE 5+ depending on how you setup the transparency. Use Paint Shop Pro.
Still, it's sad that many countries are locked into IE because the other "real" browsers lack features needed in proper RTL or TTB text support, and other important text features.
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If I recall correctly, South Korea is locked into IE because they have a massive install base of ActiveX programs for banking and other vital infrastructure. Whoops.
Pyrel - an open-source rewrite of the Angband roguelike game in Python.
I will probably switch to chrome when it has good configuration options for dealing with cookies (at the very least ask-per-cookie. I like forum cookies, but not ad cookies) and the option to disable automatic updates. Until then, however, I see both as gaping security risks and will steer quite clear of chrome.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
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If you're bothered by the automatic updates or the potential privacy issues: get Iron
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If I recall correctly, South Korea is locked into IE because they have a massive install base of ActiveX programs for banking and other vital infrastructure. Whoops.
I have always wondered about things like that. "Hey, let's tie tightly all of our vital financial systems, without which the entire country would go bankrupt and sink into chaos, to a piece of proprietary software owned by some private company in the US. This way we will be completely at the mercy of the whims and support of that company." "Yes, that sounds like an excellent idea. Go ahead!"
And then you wonder if politicians and CEOs are born idiots, or whether they grow to be.
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Warp wrote:
I have always wondered about things like that. "Hey, let's tie tightly all of our vital financial systems, without which the entire country would go bankrupt and sink into chaos, to a piece of proprietary software owned by some private company in the US. This way we will be completely at the mercy of the whims and support of that company." "Yes, that sounds like an excellent idea. Go ahead!"
How do you feel about companies that tie their entire business to .NET?
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One thing I'm curious about concerning Chrome: Is it possible to adjust the position of the tabs? Somehow the idea of having tabs on the title bar doesn't sit too comfortably with me.
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I"ll use it when it becomes a little more original...
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arflech wrote:
Netscape was the first browser to support Javascript so I'm sticking with it
Support?
Lets go with invent. Who even knows what they were smoking when they came up with it.
It caught on though when Microsoft managed to reverse engineer it bug for bug.
Netscape also used JavaScript as server side scripting in their server. That didn't seem to catch on though, despite the obvious ramifications of being able to write the server side and client side code in the same language.
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arflech wrote:
Oddly, several efforts are being made to bring Javascript to the server side, like Aptana Jaxer and Opera Unite.
Yes, because it makes sense.
Aptana's Jaxer is rather nice.
I'm not sure how you view Opera Unite as a server side development platform. It's not there yet.
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Hey, uh, would someone be willing to answer my question?
Ferret Warlord wrote:
One thing I'm curious about concerning Chrome: Is it possible to adjust the position of the tabs? Somehow the idea of having tabs on the title bar doesn't sit too comfortably with me.
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Hey, uh, would someone be willing to answer my question?
Ferret Warlord wrote:
One thing I'm curious about concerning Chrome: Is it possible to adjust the position of the tabs? Somehow the idea of having tabs on the title bar doesn't sit too comfortably with me.
If Chrome isn't maximized, the tabs are just below the blank title bar
On the Mac, the tabs are always on the title bar, and on Linux, the whole UI, including the tabs, is within an ordinary window
