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Posted: 11/27/2006 6:23 PM
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Xaphan
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Damned ! I expected a yes vote from you ;) I hope you'll be able to check it soon !
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Posted: 11/27/2006 6:31 PM
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zefiris
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20 minutes of good playing vs 30 minutes of boring ingame movies -_-
Posted: 11/27/2006 6:33 PM
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Xaphan
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I know... though I'm not responsible for that... It's the same for both MMZ3 and 4... I hope at least the "good play" part will be prevalent over the bad time movies
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Posted: 11/27/2006 6:39 PM
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Most of movies in MMZ4 were skippable and you skipped them. Yay for MMZ4 <_>v
Posted: 11/27/2006 7:15 PM
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Xaphan
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Wouldn't you like to improve my run ???
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Posted: 11/27/2006 7:19 PM
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zefiris
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Nope, sorry :) I am too lazy :( But I have a few hints... I will post them at MMZ4 thread )
Posted: 4/19/2009 2:46 AM
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computerbird
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OK, it's time to improve the published run by Xaphan. Here is the WIP of intro stage. It is 4425 frames faster than the published run's intro stage with hard mode (365 frames with ABSs input to skipped the logo, and 3632 frames with skipped the plot, so the exactly improved is 428 frames). Here is the reason for why i chose the hard mode: *The EXSkills are simply useless in MMZ2, they cannot be combined with any other attacks. *Z-saber must be level up, and it will used about 3400 frames to the highest level. By the way, the leveling system is same way with MMZ, if you don't know that, please see Here. Some different with the gun EXP, the buster charge attack only +1 gun EXP in MMZ2. And here is what i found: Z-saber: Double Slash - Total 30 swings Triple Slash - Total 90 swings Charge - Total 290 swings Fast Charge - Total 850 swings Z-buster ( gun EXP ): Charge - 200 Fast Charge - 600 Chain Rod: Charge - 50 Fast Charge - 210 Shield: level 2 - 30 level 3 - 80 And the skill of saber slash only used in vs boss, with many of my test, use the shield in hard mode, it's about 2100 frames slower in totally boss fight, and all of them can be improved. *About the Form: I think the Proto Form is the best Form in MMZ2. Because of the +2 dameges (+1 in vs boss). Some disadvantages of Proto Form is: only half defensive power of Zero that means takes less dameges to save time. And Proto Form could be used with "new geme" only in hard mode. So i chose the hard mode. I don't know improve the published run in this way will be accept or not in this site, so i need some advise on this. Thank you~
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Posted: 4/19/2009 3:07 AM
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Derakon
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I don't know all that much about this game, but I definitely recommend comparing Proto form against the other available forms for different levels; IIRC most of the MMZ series bosses can be taken down really quite rapidly so the extra damage may not be helpful there (and extra damage during the levels is rarely useful), but being able to take more damage during the main level can be very helpful indeed. Of course, you also have to consider the time taken to switch forms...
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Posted: 4/19/2009 4:39 AM
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computerbird
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Derakon wrote:
I don't know all that much about this game, but I definitely recommend comparing Proto form against the other available forms for different levels; IIRC most of the MMZ series bosses can be taken down really quite rapidly so the extra damage may not be helpful there (and extra damage during the levels is rarely useful), but being able to take more damage during the main level can be very helpful indeed. Of course, you also have to consider the time taken to switch forms...
Thank you, Derkon. But i don't think so the extra damage during the levels is rarely useful. In my WIP, maybe Proto Form's extra damage is more useful, i can taken down the mid boss with 3 times(in nomal mode ,it must be 4 times), and taken down the boss with 5 slashs 1 shoot(in nomal, it will take 6slash + 1 charge shoot). This status will happend again and again. The most powerful combo in nomal mode is Z-saber charge attack + triple slash in Rise Form, the damege is 8+4+6 =18, but the charge slash we when is too late, and it will takes too much time to get it(1slash will take 4frames "lag").
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Posted: 7/25/2009 10:41 AM
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computerbird
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OK, with some new find, i have decided do this run in nomal mode. Here is my first WIP:http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1163574167/computerbird-MMZ2-WIP1.vbm Is there any one have some advice?
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Posted: 7/25/2009 11:32 AM
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Very nice work my friend! I see you have a new route in mind and I naturally wonder how much faster it will turn out in the end. I could notice the slight higher level of optimization compared to Xaphan's run, you are really good at what you do and keep it up! :) I also cannot wait to see your ZX run :D
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Posted: 7/28/2009 9:15 AM
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Xaphan
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I'm still roaming here a little and I've just happened to watch your WIP ! Your improvements are truly amazing and the Magnion fight is epic ! Very nice. I wish you good luck and I cannot wait as well to watch your ZX run !
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Posted: 7/28/2009 1:14 PM
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computerbird
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Thank to klmz specially for his suggestions. I have changed some of my path. Here is the second WIP:http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/823325035/computerbird-MMZ2-WIP%A3%BF.vbm In Panther Flauclaws's stage, there are lots of enemy that I can get the Triple Slash befor vs boss, and i also have the Rise Form in vs Magnion. This is a faster way than my old plan. I'm waiting for your comments ^_^.
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Posted: 8/1/2009 1:57 AM
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computerbird
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Now, the Kuwagust Anchus's stage (Aerial Stage) have finished! You can find the third WIP in Here. In Hyleg Ourobockle's stage (Forest Of Dysis), I have to "attack" the Health Capsule 9 times with chain rod. See this WIP you'll know why. I'm also waiting for your comments.
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Posted: 8/8/2009 12:49 AM
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Very nice work my friend. I am very curious to know how much faster you are compared with the current published run.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Posted: 8/15/2009 10:02 AM
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computerbird
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Now the next four levels have finished. Maybe this is the last WIP:http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/307620985/computerbird-MMZ2-WIP4.vbm And i'll complete this run as soon as possible. @To AngerFist: hmm... I think i'll put it in my submission but not here>_< Also, i'm waiting for your comments^_^
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Posted: 8/16/2009 7:27 AM
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computerbird wrote:
Also, i'm waiting for your comments^_^
You are awesome, the run looks great as usual, what more can I say? :) Now hurry up and finish this so we can know how much you gained :P
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Posted: 12/16/2009 11:22 PM
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Hey, sorry for bumping this, but I was just curious about how things were going with the improved run with the chain rod glitch. I loved the last run you put out, computerbird, but I haven't heard anything new since you canceled that run.
Used to be a frequent submissions commenter. My new computer has had some issues running emulators, so I've been here more sporadically. Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.) Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html) Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature! Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
Posted: 12/17/2009 2:02 AM
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I'm a little lazy in this run, because i'm unlucky in the part of protect Ceil 90s, it's desync, so i must redo that part...but this part too boring to do( i must keep the same weapon exp), so i'm let it down, but i'll continue after complete the MMZX test run. BTW, you can find the WIP here:http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1969970519/0990%20-%20Rockman%20Zero%202.vbm The ROM used JAP version, the reason i'll put it in my submission.
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Posted: 12/17/2009 2:42 AM
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Ok................That was fucking awesome, i never though that the Chain Rod glitch could be used in such way. I agree that the 90s part is boring to TAS, but i can't wait to see the whole thing.
Posted: 12/17/2009 12:22 PM
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Thanks computerbird! This looks good so far. I'm a little surprised that in the stage where you rescue Elpizo, and you fight the 3 minibosses in a row, that you use the Ice power on all 3. Is it not worth it to switch powers? Also, in the forest stage, before entering the building, you shoot the Chain Rod 3 times for no apparent reason into the wall. What does this do? Keep up the great work though!
Used to be a frequent submissions commenter. My new computer has had some issues running emulators, so I've been here more sporadically. Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.) Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html) Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature! Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
Posted: 12/17/2009 12:56 PM
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mklip2001 wrote:
Thanks computerbird! This looks good so far. I'm a little surprised that in the stage where you rescue Elpizo, and you fight the 3 minibosses in a row, that you use the Ice power on all 3. Is it not worth it to switch powers? Also, in the forest stage, before entering the building, you shoot the Chain Rod 3 times for no apparent reason into the wall. What does this do? Keep up the great work though!
The first question: with a real-time run, open the menu would cost too much frames to switch the powers. second question: i have to waited the raised wall before the boss room.
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Posted: 1/1/2010 5:35 PM
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Wow, that Chain Rod glitch sure is something, I'm gonna try to do it in regular play. Edit: WOW, I LOVE THE CHAINROD GLITCH SO MUCH! seriously, I'm showing it to everyone I know because it's so freaking awesome! Oh and the timing couldn't have been better, just as I am working on a SS run of Z2's hard mode. I found some usefull skips, the CR glitch can be used on the shrines in the Temples of Flame~Wind, you can imagine that not having to deal with the walls in Fafnirs stage saves a great deal of time. Amusingly, when you zip through the ceiling before the boss door in the Temple of Flame, Guarder Room (boss intro music) will start playing LOL also, all enemies that come on screen explode as when you enter a boss room door. interesting. When you've cleared the stage, it will act as if you went into the door, transfering you back to the resistance base. In the Temple of Ice you can skip the first shrine, and while you can even get on top of the second, you cannot progress from there, good fun tho. In the Temple of Wind, you can skip both shrines BUT, the CR glitch demands that the wall is on the right side, meaning you have to enter the door of the second shrine and climb up to perform the zip. I also found some Useless zips, but I thought I'd mention them anyways: -intro, you can skip through the ceiling above the Cyberelf box. -Panter, you can skip through ANY ceiling in any train. -Fafnir1, before the molten lava buckets, blue background, left-topcorner from the gabyoall (spinning thing) -Airplane, you can zip back to the door past the golem from the long vertical shaft with all the ladybug jets. -TempleWind, arbitrary, you can get under the boss doors, you can zip into the right door. Those are all fun, but the most awesome of all is the one in the Final stage, you can zip through the righthand corner of the first boss set room! sadly, no boss will appear beyond that point, and you will never hear guarder room, even when entering the final chambers. even more peculiar is that the door of the 2nd boss set room is MISSING. Elpis and X are missing too, but for the first time ever, ingame you can fully see the branches of Yggdrasil (yay) Damn, RMZ2 just got a little more awesome.
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Posted: 2/15/2010 1:18 AM
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Computerbird: I saw your WIP again and i saw that in the Phoenix fight, you threw the shield in opposite direction of phoenix before killing him. Where you unable to hit him or something at that point?
Posted: 2/27/2010 4:35 AM
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Rolanmen1 wrote:
Computerbird: I saw your WIP again and i saw that in the Phoenix fight, you threw the shield in opposite direction of phoenix before killing him. Where you unable to hit him or something at that point?
he will be cancel his action and you can't combo him if you hit him early.
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