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What? This? That wasn't very difficult to find. :(
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NameSpoofer wrote:
What? This? That wasn't very difficult to find. :(
That's the one, again, this was a long time ago (right when Redesign first launched) and I haven't been keeping up, so I didn't know if it had been made public, so I'd rather do the honorable thing and defer to my instructions than simply assume that it had been made public.
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
NameSpoofer wrote:
What? This? That wasn't very difficult to find. :(
That's the one, again, this was a long time ago (right when Redesign first launched) and I haven't been keeping up, so I didn't know if it had been made public, so I'd rather do the honorable thing and defer to my instructions than simply assume that it had been made public.
Ohhhh you honest friend you! Completely understandable either way.
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moozooh-jump in Redesign? This is seriously begging for optimization. K.
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OmnipotentEntity wrote:
The rub is, Drew asked me not to release the map....
DOH someone already posted it, either way I'm fine with it also I don't hate you. ^_^
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Kriole wrote:
moozooh-jump in Redesign?
Ha, that was cool. Quite an upgrade on moozooh jump, though.
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Not a new WIP yet, but here is a never seen before, older, continuation of WIP 6 that uses the traditional route through the Lost Caverns, on which I worked before discovering the "Phantoon Skip" sequence break: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdkqjpN_II Featuring an improved Phantoon quick-kill with a shinespark, along with optimal energy management. Enjoy!
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Man, this TAS is going to be an orgy of shinesparking when it's done, isn't it? Impressive as the Phantoon kill was, I think my favorite bit was the jump to the Gravity Suit. Physics doesn't work that way!
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When talking about hacks and re-designs, does anybody know if there is a remake of Metroid (NES) for the SNES?
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Metroid X Metroid Deluxe Those are the two I found at M2K2 at least, but there are others I'm just too lazy to find them right now.
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Those are hacks of Metroid on the NES. Highness wanted to know if there was basically a Zero Mission using Super Metroid's engine. I know of two that are being made, but neither is complete yet (working titles are Metroid Oldschool and Metroid Super Mission).
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Oh... I guess I stopped reading after (NES) =P. My bad. Great "WIP" btw, Saturn! I always love the way you take the Gravity Suit.
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New WIP is finally out after a lot of testing and reworking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxT2NuSNHD0 Featuring some tricky Metroid bundle techs with extreme luck manipulation, as well as an optimal MB fight with the powerful 4-hit PB Wave combo. Enjoy!
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Ahh, yes, the unnecessarily-long escape sequence. What was the purpose of the pause in Tourian where you just wandered the map around a bit?
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Thanks for the new segment! It's nice to see the redesign metroids being effortlessly outmaneuvered and treated like harmless kittens instead of the monsters they were when I encountered them. Too bad you needed that huge pause for luck manipulation, though - that did not look good. But if you're aiming for in-game time, then I guess that's a good way to manipulate with minimal frame loss. When I play back the final smv (which I'm hoping to see in the workbench soon) I'll make sure to display only in-game frames, since redesign, even more so than regular Super Metroid suffers from having the blazingly fast action broken up by non-ingame frames like door transitions and pause screens. Anyway, keep up the good work!
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Glad to see the update. The pause does kinda break up the pace, but it is otherwise really well done.
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Looks amazing as always, some very interesting strategies as well due to the complexity of the metroid rooms. The ending will be a little anticlimactic though, the escape really gets pretty dull due to not having any uppgrades to speed things up. Also, I too wonder what that long pause was about. The length of it seems a little extreme for luck manipulation, especially considering that you never had to slow down that much for any of the other metroids (as far as I could see).
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From the YouTube comments:
Saturn on YouTube wrote:
It's for luck manipulation to get 3 Super Missile refills out of the next kill. It turned out way harder than expected, hence the long delay. ... Yep, it's luck manipulation. I really tried to avoid it, but there was no other way to get enough Supers back without significantly delaying the in-game time.
So I guess the pause is at least in part because you're aiming for in-game time instead of realtime.
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Well, couldn't the wait potentially been reduced greatly by doing that sort of luck manipulation when you killed a larger group of metroid (I think you had 6 on you once). Maybe you tried that, I dunno.
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I tried that with larger groups as well. For example in the red switched gate room, where there were 7 at once, or in the 4th Metroid room with 5 at once, and I couldn't get more than 3 Supers in any of them, even with the pause screen. The reason I settled at lower amounts there was because it either changed the refill drops of the next Metroid rooms to be much worse, or required a serious in-game time delay. I also aimed to delay the pause screen as long as possible, in the hope to maybe get better luck that might allow to skip it entirely, but it just wasn't enough. In 2nd last Metroid room, the 3 Supers out of the first 6 Metroids were already a great and lucky feat for not using the pause screen, so I just tried to continue from there on no matter what. Even though the final pause screen turned out to be so long, I think it's still better than multiple shorter ones because of less interruptions in the end.
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Did you check if it was possible to shuffle RNG by rapidfiring Grapple Beam? I just realized that it might have some merit.
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I didn't check, but I doubt it would help. Either way, I'm fine with the way it worked out.
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Hey Saturn, how are you doing? Haven't seen you around, is everything fine? Hope you haven't quit Super Metroid. By the way, how is going your TAS? C ya!
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Its been a long time since a word has been said. where is Saturn? has he vanished?