Post by Warp

Posted: 12/25/2009 8:15 AM

Post subject: changing naming format on input files

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arkiandruski

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Can we please make the standard naming format on input files game name first. It makes them much easier to find when I want to watch them.

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Posted: 1/1/2010 1:47 PM

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This has been brought up so many times before I'm surprised nobody's just done it. Maybe I should see if my soap key still works.

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Posted: 1/1/2010 7:18 PM

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If we are going to rename the files to a consistent standardized format, maybe it would be a good idea to add the publication date as well. There are many reasons where seeing the date of publication could be useful. For example, if you have two random movie or video file of the same game laying around, you could see from the publication date which one is the newest, You can also quickly check if the currently published version on the website is newer than what you have. (Of course since there can be several categories of runs for the same game, this should be clearly and unambiguously distinguished in the file names as well, else it may get confusing whether a newer file obsoletes an older one or whether it's just a different category for the same game.)

Posted: 1/2/2010 2:04 AM

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game-runtype-version-taser-date.extension? E.g. supermetroid-ingametime-v2-cpadolf-20080302.avi Where "version" indicates how far down the obsoletion chain this particular movie is.

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Posted: 1/2/2010 5:37 AM

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well for the input file it would be supermetroid-ingametime-v2-cpadolf-20080302.smv

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Posted: 1/2/2010 12:11 PM

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I would have thought that the file's timestamp for 'date created' or 'last modified' would have done that job. I do agree that input files should follow the same schema as the media files though.

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Posted: 1/12/2010 7:59 PM

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I think the files have information for "added" and "last modified" both of which would be the time the file was added to your computer, or last modified on your computer, which includes moving the file from one folder to another. In other words, not information that would help in terms of dating the movies.

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Posted: 1/12/2010 9:35 PM

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There has been a few other topics about this before, one which I started. I agree that the naming scheme should be changed.

Posted: 1/14/2010 12:36 AM

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Warp wrote:

If we are going to rename the files to a consistent standardized format, maybe it would be a good idea to add the publication date as well.

An alternative to this would be to add some kind of numbering scheme which identifies how many versions of the same run have been published before (it would be like the current versioning, but instead of counting publications by the specific author, it would count publications for that game in that particular category). This could be even more useful and also interesting (because it would tell how many runs have been published so far for that game in that category).

Posted: 1/14/2010 12:45 AM

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If it's not too much trouble for the people making the files, I like Warp's idea. This would make organization and tracking obsoletions easier for users.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 11:59 AM

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Taser name must come last, or at least after the date.

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Posted: 1/14/2010 5:58 PM
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so I think the order is heading toward: game name-special category (if applicable)-version number-author(s).file format

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Posted: 1/15/2010 1:25 AM

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Theres just one thing i dont see here, how are you going to deal with the 600+ movies already on site ? Do them one after another manually ? That seem huge task there... For the version number, i guess the movie number itself could be also a reference, i think its rare movies get a number attributed that is not a superior number than precedent movies. For submissions its never the case at least.

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Posted: 1/15/2010 4:26 AM

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Once we decide on the naming format, we can change it into a project. A group of people can each take a certain number of movies, rename them, then upload them somewhere to be sorted (such as dehacked microstorage, or we can upload our packs to file sharing sites).

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Posted: 1/15/2010 6:15 AM

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Do we need to rename the existing movies? Wouldn't that require resetting every single torrent on the site? Or would we just do the input files?

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Posted: 1/15/2010 8:59 AM

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It wouldn't require resetting torrents at all. Torrents are video files. We're changing the names on input files.

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Posted: 1/16/2010 1:51 PM

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arkiandruski wrote:

so I think the order is heading toward: game name-special category (if applicable)-version number-author.file format

I think there should be something between the name and the version number even for the "main" (and possibly only) run of the game, for consistency. I don't have a good suggestion for an appropriate keyword right now, though. Also, would it be a good idea to preserve the current idea of an author-specific version number (in other words, it tells how many submissions the author has made for that game in that category)? This would be independent from the main version number. (OTOH it could get a bit redundant as with many submissions the two numbers would be the same as they have only one author who has ever attempted to TAS the game...)

Posted: 1/17/2010 12:33 AM

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I think the version number should be for the site, not the author. The reason for the version number from my understanding at least is to track obsoletions. If we do version number by author, this functionality disappears.

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Posted: 1/17/2010 4:37 PM

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For reference, here is the old topic: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6500 We should just do this...

Posted: 1/17/2010 8:53 PM

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They seem to have come to the same conclusion as us. Version # should be two digits (e.g. 04, 15, 25). I don't think any movie on the site is even close to getting over 99 obsoletions.

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Posted: 1/17/2010 8:57 PM

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arkiandruski wrote:

I think the version number should be for the site, not the author. The reason for the version number from my understanding at least is to track obsoletions. If we do version number by author, this functionality disappears.

I meant using an author version number in addition to the main version number.

Posted: 1/17/2010 10:57 PM

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When looking through the site, I found that there is a case where movie numbers don't quite indicate the obsoletion chain. Historical movies (those made before the site) often have higher movie numbers than the movies that obsolete them.

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Posted: 1/18/2010 4:42 AM
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I'm working on renaming the movies on the site so far so we can have at least something. I can't put them back on the site, since I don't have the privileges. I'm debating whether or not to rezip them all separately after I'm done. If I do, and the people in charge like the naming scheme, it would mean less work for whoever decides to put them back on the site. However, it would mean extra work if they decide to change the names around. After going through a few files, I agree with Warp that something need to be put in the category slot even if there isn't a category. It just looks better. I've settled on the word "any" which is short for "any percent." It has the added bonus of being short and towards the beginning of the alphabet, so most other categories come after it (unless they start with a number (On that note, whenever possible, I will choose the word "all" over 100 percent)). EDIT: Why are .fm2's so much larger than .fmv's? On a side note, I now hate people with names like max12187566.

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Posted: 1/18/2010 12:49 PM

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If you look at an fm2 compared to an fcm movie, in a hex editor, or even notepad, you will see the difference. fm2's are human readable, and have a single byte per button press. fcm's and fmv's are not human readable, and therefore are more economical.

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