This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2634: woabclf's NES Rockman 2 Minimum in 28:03.57

Ok I just finished watching, and I have to say this is quite different in a lot of places to Megaman/Rockman 2. The behaviour of Item-2 is the most notable change, but it appears weaknesses are different in certain places. As such, I'm going to need a lot more information about this hack before I can make an informed vote. First off, would a different order be better? Explain why you chose the order you did. Second, there are a couple of places where you stop, whether this was to perform a trick I'm not sure, and in one place you stop in order to kill a few enemies before continuing. Third, I notice you perform death abbreviation on only a few bosses. Why only those few, and why would it not be faster on all of them? Fourth, wall zipping. In Rockman 2 the wall zipping seems to be quite consistently performed in a straight line, but here it appears to force you downwards, forcing the pause abuse in at least one level. Any particular reason why it is so different here, and are there steps to improve this? Fifth, you mention a new glitch but do not explain what it is/how it affects the stage. There are a lot of glitches used already, so it is hard for a casual observer such as myself to identify. Sixth, can you only use one Item-3 at a time? If not, then you wasted time in Heatman stage waiting for the disappearing blocks. Seventh, are there any possible improvements that you may know about but were unable to perform?

I don't like the hack. It's another one of those "let's throw random things together in a dumb fashion" type of hacks. And why the color changes? No sense. The game play seems ok at best. Voting NO.

I am missing the ladder glitches. This game is supposed to have them, right? Also, the run uses the Japanese version where the original game has an English version. As for the hack, yeah, I don't see anything interesting here. And what's with the stars in the middle of the day and the level with ever changing palette?

can you only use one Item-3 at a time? If not, then you wasted time in Heatman stage waiting for the disappearing blocks.

English is very bad, watch well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fCge0JTEgQ "Really speed" Some questions not too understand.

Voting no because this hack has nothing going for it that sets it aside from other RM2 hacks.

Woabclf: why don’t you try to improve a published rockman movie? It’d give you an easy acceptance. Anyway, on the movie I vote no. I’m sorry, but the hack is way too random for my tastes.

Voting no because this hack has nothing going for it that sets it aside from other RM2 hacks.

What he said. Also, I noticed a missed shot right at the beginning of this run and it made my blood boil. Overall, this run was meh, but I don't think it should be published. EDIT:

Woabclf: why don’t you try to improve a published rockman movie? It’d give you an easy acceptance.

The run would easily be accepted, yes. Improving the published run is far far away (like that famous galaxy) from easy.

The hack itself is much better than the Rockman L used for the other run, but it still feels more like a step in the right direction rather than a complete project. ROM high points: Changed weapon behaviors Changed boss patterns ROM low points: Bosses are only pallet swaps Level design, music, and bosses don't always mesh well Butchering SaGa 2 graphics/music (they looked/sounded better on the Gameboy) There's also the other requirement for ROM hack submissions: "It must [...] have an audience following." I'm not sure that this hack has a significant enough fan base to meet this criteria. Outside of a YouTube run or two, I'm having a hard time finding anything about this game. If this were an absolutely amazing run, I'd be tempted to vote yes. The actual run quality isn't very good, though, especially compared to published Megman runs. Missed shots and seemingly pointless damage plague this one. Finally, the submission text is nowhere near sufficient. While it is clear that the author doesn't speak English, it doesn't change the fact that there isn't nearly enough information about the game/run provided. This one gets a pretty solid "no" from me.

yet again, medium hack, awesome movie. yes vote. Hey woahclf, would you play another megaman games? I'd love to see Rockman 4MI, an awesome hack, being played. Ckeck it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5C97vvPRFo

My MM4 skill is not good May introduce to GlitchMan & Angerfist & Shinryuu

Rockman 4 Minus Infinity is indeed a great hack so far. Unfortunately it is still not completely finished yet. Anyway, as for this run I am voting no. It looks pretty sloppy. Now maybe you should concider trying Rockman 2 - Gray Zone. That is a pretty good hack. Unfortunately as far as Rockman romhacks go, that's one of the better ones. Why do I say unfortunately? Because you'd think something as popular as Rockman would have hacks that don't suck most of the time.

I thought killing yourself against bosses was to shorten the distance from the top of the screen, speeding up the end of level teleport sequence. Why do it against the Wily1 boss, which has the death lower than the base platform?

I suggest you use Google Translate to help you explain your run. Some information is better than no information. People giving critiques: please use simple sentences to help woabclf understand you.

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I will say this again: a good run of a good hack, for the purposes of this site, should showcase pushing the game's engine to its limits in ways that are not possible within the context of the original game. This hack does not appear to allow for that, and the playing isn't particularly optimal to boot (missed shots, pause abuse during zipping which may not be necessary, inconsistent use of techiques such as death abbreviation, etc.). This is not a hack worthy of publication, and I vote no.

I'm not going to vote because I feel I surpassed my threshold for seriously playing and watching Megaman some time ago. Watching what of this I did though really got me to thinking that meshing together all kinds of pixel art and music that might be good on its own produces a very unsatisfactory result, even when it's all in 8-bit. I mean, a lot of the music was from gameboy games like Seiken Densetsu. A lot of the graphics from SNES games like Yoshi's island... It's really a shame that ROM hackers can't attract more competent artists to their causes.

I'll throw another No into the pile. The hack is better than the previous 2, but it still feels too much like MM2. And I did notice some spots that looked improvable or otherwise awkward. I've probably brought it up before, but I think a good hack to run would be Rockman no Constancy.

I suggest you use Google Translate to help you explain your run. Some information is better than no information.

Google Translate cannot translate into Taiwanese yet. ============================= Voting no from bad hack choice. Everything has already been said. I did like some of the new enemy behavior though but it is not enough to make up for the flaws of this hack. Also all those missed shots make the run look poorly executed.

Brushy, I was thinking of MM4 not Rockman 2.

This hack is terrible. Play isn't SO amazing that I think it should be published anyway No vote

I'd say the hack is better than everyone makes it out to be. It certainly is better than the last two from woabclf. That being said, I need a little more research into where all the Mega Man hacks stand in terms of notability. The TAS quality is indefensible though; I would certainly agree on that. I'm afraid woabclf misunderstands the purpose of this site.

Google Translate cannot translate into Taiwanese yet.

Taiwanese people can (in general) read and write in Chinese (Traditional).

Google Translate cannot translate into Taiwanese yet.

Taiwanese people can (in general) read and write in Chinese (Traditional).

You learn something new every day.

I'm afraid woabclf misunderstands the purpose of this site.

What does he misunderstand and how? I'm lost here ...

As usual, nice job woabclf. Don't worry about the bad comment, your gameplay look good. Some people are arguing about the hack quality, but keep in mind that there alway a place on this site for your hardwork... even if this means gruefood delight. I'm looking foward for your next TAS!