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EDIT: This has been discussed before btw, http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4288&highlight= I have an Arduino (http://www.arduino.cc) I'm using with a Multi-Console Cthulu PCB (http://shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=162026). I've tried doing TAS like inputs with the Arduino but unfortunately the Arduino wasn't made for precise frame by frame timing and can be off by 1 frame sometimes. I've tried with a few xbox, snes, nes, and tg-16 games. I'm sure you could wire a Arduino up to the DS control buttons easily. But I keep getting desyncs because of the Arduino, I've tested the arduino timing on my PC using delay();, delayMicroseconds();, millis();, and even hardware interrupts and it can be still be off by as much as .5-1ms. It's never consistent either. Anything that requires only 2 or more frames of precise timing is certainly possible. Does anyone know of any other microchips as universal as the arduino with better timing? Or perhaps a module that could give the arduino better timing? I was thinking of using a ChronoDot (http://macetech.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=8) and have the arduino read the time from it, but I'm guessing the arduino may still get thrown off on the timing simply because it would read at wrong times. Anyone else have any idea's?
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Maybe in the future this will be possible. But now we have to learn everything. How it works. How to use. After that, we can think in this possibility. The people are thinking much about this.
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Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation. *thumbs up*
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Well, I just ordered a Chronodot Real-Time clock module. So as soon as I receive it I'll wire this up and see how if it can produce the accurate timing needed for things like TASing.
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Half a year ago True and RyanC were trying to do this, here's the original thread. I think they should be merged, btw.
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Well, I hooked up my chronodot to my Arduino and I get the same results. I'm guessing the games are actually throwing off the timing and not the Arduino. Perhaps those hiccups in frames per second (like going from 59.9 to 59.7) are causing this. Unless someone knows a way to have the Arduino recognize when exactly the console(s) is(are) accepting input, I don't think this will be possible. I was thinking of doing a Pseudo-TAS of mushroom wars or even Little Big Planet using it though.
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The way the controller works, you know exactly when the console is polling for input... How are you currently doing this, without that feature? Did you just solder directly to the buttons?
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Ummm, ya, I'm not using a typical controller though. As I posted earlier, I'm using a universal PCB that works with most consoles.
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Well, the NES uses an 8 bit parallel in, serial shift out register. This means you get a pulse to latch the current state of the controller, and then the NES sends clock bits to shift out the data. However, its already been discussed that some games read the controller more than once per frame, and any variation of the # of lag frames will totally disrupt a TAS. Additionally, I'm pretty sure the NES starts in a semi-random state, so even RNG-less games like SMB will do start at random places within the 21-frame rule, before the TAS even starts. http://www.zero-soft.com/HW/USB_NES_old/
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