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Hi, I'm Josh (aka 'Chaos Crusader' Velitha, formally 'Ragnarok'). As a handful of you know, I randomly went 3 months without saying a single word to anybody. During this, I was busy being depressed and emo, but I got better. I ended up breaking up with... let's call her J, after her nickname and the picture I made for her in my own artwork, including my own, which honestly, anybody with 2 eyes and a phone book, or has checked out my page, will know my name, idc)
During this time, J left a ton of her stuff in my possession. After about a month she thought she was evicted so she moved to Hood River (I'm also leaving out a TON of drama here, the juicy bits will go on my page) I received this from J's BF, Justin, near the end of march
Conversation with 100001450012521 at 3/29/2011 11:12:53 PM on chaoscrusader666 (facebook)
(11:29:46 PM) Stephen Justin: just hold on a couple minutes im about 2 mins from a for sure awnser from her.
(11:30:01 PM) chaoscrusader666: kk
(11:29:59 PM) Stephen Justin: alright i got it the word is in
(11:30:16 PM) chaoscrusader666: and?
(11:30:28 PM) Stephen Justin: the verdict is all the shit up there is yours.
(11:30:47 PM) chaoscrusader666: for reals?
(11:31:13 PM) Stephen Justin: for reals if you want cofirmation lauren can call me and talk to steph cause yall wont be talkin no more from here out
(11:31:38 PM) chaoscrusader666: mmk
(11:36:06 PM) chaoscrusader666: I sent off an email to Lauren that had that snipet in it
(11:38:39 PM) Stephen Justin: she has placed me in charge and i am taking charge, i have fooled you into thinking im your freind because she was your freind but no longer, you are a woman beater, your emotionaly damaging and abusive and you will no longer be contactin her or me, i dont like you as a matter of fact i think i might just hate you and yes this is w=me and not her and im sick of your bull shit and its over you are out of both of our lives for
(11:38:43 PM) Stephen Justin: ever
Conversation with 100001450012521 at 4/29/2011 9:36:08 PM on chaoscrusader666 (facebook)
(10:03:18 PM) chaoscrusader666: what about her things and how long u want the block for?
(10:05:04 PM) Stephen Justin: her stuff im not worred about, she already abonded it once, and the block is till i see you have learned your lesson, and i went agaisnt what i said and accidently hinted it o you ealier in the convo, i will talk to you on a regular basis and see, its all up to how long it take you to become a man and not be a boy. good night, talk to ya tommorow night.
I was constantly harassed by J all throughout Feb and March. After Justin's tidbit at the end, I decided enough was enough, and got a Restraining order against J in March. I made good photos of it for everybody's reference here:
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I tried to work things out despite having a Restraining Order in place. I wanted to avoid legal issues like this one from happening, so I broke my own R.Order to work things out... most of it happened on Video Chat, so I don't have logs of it. Yes it was a MAJOR mistake that makes the order kinda invalid, but I wanted closure.
Then, for some odd reason, just now, here 6 months after all has been said and done, J decides NOW she wants her stuff back. She's getting a hearing on the 16th. Here's a copy of what I received:
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This would be nice and everything, except for, I've gotten rid of J's stuff. After the IM logs in March and April, I got the point that they didn't want J's stuff back. After all, it does say they don't care about it... so after keeping her things safe for a long time, I needed to clear them out for future plans I have.
I won't be able to get some Legal advice until Monday (curse-d 9/11 comming up after all, and it's a sunday), but I don't think J has a case because of the reasons they said on facebook chat. This is also why I NEVER get rid of my chatlogs -- you NEVER know when they might save you in a legal battle lol.
Cleaver readers will note that I also asked for ~$150, but I NEVER got it. Let's say the judge rules in J's favor. if so I will site the $ I never received, and a ton of other things that she took that were mine (like my Tmo G2, that she pickpocketed off me and sold for $100, it was rooted and worth $500 ffs), and maybe countersue for my damages.
So that sums up the MAJOR thing that's happened (there's another minor one, but it was swiftly dealt with). Thanks for reading! I will post the results of the hearing on the next post for when it happens.
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And this is where political correctness takes you to.
I hope you're ashamed of this and have learned your lesson.
Otherwise I'll just point and laugh.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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Yep, life lesson learned, nice guys finish last.
Why would I be ashamed of my actions? I did as my heart said, but then everything just fell apart. I have no regrets.
The past is the past. I've learned from it and have moved on.
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You accept that you've been a victim of your own convictions.
You beliefs work only in your imagination.
Congratulations.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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Warp wrote:
What do we learn from this? Don't get a girlfriend.
Actually, we learn that real life is nothing like the TV says it is.
In the end the girl did nothing wrong. HE created the whole situation.
He saw things were going bad and could have taken back control or even jumped out of it and escaped safe and unharmed, but was too scared of losing the precious girl and never finding someone so perfect again.
Do you think any girl would respect a guy who acts like that?
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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pirate_sephiroth wrote:
In the end the girl did nothing wrong. HE created the whole situation.
He saw things were going bad and could have taken back control or even jumped out of it and escaped safe and unharmed, but was too scared of losing the precious girl and never finding someone so perfect again.
Do you think any girl would respect a guy who acts like that?
So, was her cheating on me "doing nothing wrong"? It's the reason we broke up after all. Free will of another isn't something that you can control. You can manipulate them and give them ultimatums, but that's making them do things, and I'm not that kinda guy. I am who I am, and she didn't like me in the end for who I am, enough to where she was into another man. Rather than chase after her, I let her go. She wasn't perfect for me, as you say. People change.
ShadowWraith wrote:
This is not the best place to post this. Welcome back to the forums. Leave your real life drama behind.
I have left the drama behind. I figured I would post this for those who were curious what happened, considering during this time I kinda disappeared from the community without saying anything. My last words were brb after all >.>
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Velitha wrote:
You can manipulate them and give them ultimatums, but that's making them do things, and I'm not that kinda guy. I am who I am, and she didn't like me in the end for who I am, enough to where she was into another man.
I'm just gonna quote something from a certain book and I hope it makes sense for you.
If it doesn't, I'll point and laugh again.
"Women will keep pushing and testing until they find all your boundaries. When a woman pushes and feels that resistance, it allows her to feel secure with you. This is what she's looking for. But if she doesn't feel that resistance, then she'll keep pushing until she walks all over you and then seeks challenge elsewhere."
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
This is not the best place to post this. Welcome back to the forums. Leave your real life drama behind.
I have left the drama behind. I figured I would post this for those who were curious what happened, considering during this time I kinda disappeared from the community without saying anything. My last words were brb after all >.>
90% of the first post is drama. We don't need to know what happened between you and whoever else was involved. You had some bad times, you came back, that's all you should be sharing on an open discussion forum.
Those who are curious will ask you themselves and then you can tell them all this.
Drama, too long, didn't read, lol.
(This post was a parody of people posting like that. I did not read but I also form no opinions, laughing or otherwise.)
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Bisqwit wrote:
Drama, too long, didn't read, lol.
(This post was a parody of people posting like that. I did not read but I also form no opinions, laughing or otherwise.)
My favourite Bisqwit post of all times.
I ignore the little letters.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Haha, is the girl stupid or something? If you want to deal with this the fun way, and also since you guys seem to like solving problems through court, file a counter-claim against her voluntarily leaving possessions you didn't want on your premises unattended for six months. There's your instant and perfectly acceptable justification of getting rid of them, as you aren't (and can't be) expected to take care of property you don't legally own or bound to protect; at the same time, you are to decide where things go on your property. Watch her rage afterwards, that should be the funniest part.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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ShadowWraith wrote:
This is not the best place to post this. Welcome back to the forums. Leave your real life drama behind.
There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to post this. There are plenty of other topics for you to see if you don't like this one.
moozooh wrote:
[...] you aren't (and can't be) expected to take care of property you don't legally own or bound to protect
Actually, I don't know exactly how this works in his jurisdiction but if someone leaves his or her property in your care, with your consent, you can't just go ahead and sell it off. You are expected, at least to some degree, to make sure it doesn't get broken or go missing as long as it's in your care. (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the specifics.)
Of course, that's no longer the case if someone leaves you and then says "I don't want it anymore", and then never talks about it again until months later. So if the facts of the case are as they appear to be, I'm pretty sure the judge isn't going to rule in her favor.
Actually, I don't know exactly how this works in his jurisdiction but if someone leaves his or her property in your care, with your consent, you can't just go ahead and sell it off. You are expected, at least to some degree, to make sure it doesn't get broken or go missing as long as it's in your care. (I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the specifics.)
Of course, that's no longer the case if someone leaves you and then says "I don't want it anymore", and then never talks about it again until months later. So if the facts of the case are as they appear to be, I'm pretty sure the judge isn't going to rule in her favor.
Fun thing is, it would be near-impossible to force it that way without exploiting some kind of loophole (if it even exists), because Velitha's informal consent to having J keep her stuff at his premises has the same legal strength as her informal consent of him doing whatever he wants to it. Except he also has some logs for the latter which he can show.
Obviously it's best not to say you sold it, because that would more or less keep you accountable.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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moozooh wrote:
Fun thing is, it would be near-impossible to force it that way without exploiting some kind of loophole (if it even exists), because Velitha's informal consent to having J keep her stuff at his premises has the same legal strength as her informal consent of him doing whatever he wants to it.
I don't think that's entirely true. For example, if someone suddenly decided to sell off his girlfriend's belongings, a judge could conclude that he was wrong to do so even if his girlfriend never told him not to, or never even told him to take good care of her things. Just the fact that they were in a relationship together and shared a room or house could well be enough for a judge to decide that his girlfriend could have reasonably expected him to not sell off her possessions, consent or no consent.
No, I specifically meant that J giving Velitha informal permission of doing what he wants with her stuff can't suddenly be overruled by something even less formal. The circumstances stand in his favor, because even a month is more than a reasonable time to expect somebody to get their belongings back if they wanted to, let alone half a year. He is in no way expected to take care of them for so long, so if she wants to settle this through court (which I personally find pretty funny in the first place), he can go and counter it the same way.
Besides, it's also more amusing to deal with people same way they deal with you.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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When J told Velitha that he could keep the items, she gave up possession of them. They legally became his, and it was like he gave away his own possessions. She had more than enough time to changer her mind.
[19:16] <scrimpy> silly portuguese
[19:16] <scrimpy> it's like spanish, only less cool
What do we learn from this? Don't get a girlfriend.
Actually, we learn that real life is nothing like the TV says it is.
In the end the girl did nothing wrong. HE created the whole situation.
He saw things were going bad and could have taken back control or even jumped out of it and escaped safe and unharmed, but was too scared of losing the precious girl and never finding someone so perfect again.
Do you think any girl would respect a guy who acts like that?
Let us not forget the warning signs, such as them getting married (something like) two days after they started dating, her abandoning her family as a result, etc, etc. This was a ridiculous drama shit show from the start.
I am tempted to lock this thread, as TASVideos isn't the place to air personal drama.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
What do we learn from this? Don't get a girlfriend.
This... was too funny for words.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
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moozooh wrote:
No, I specifically meant that J giving Velitha informal permission of doing what he wants with her stuff can't suddenly be overruled by something even less formal. The circumstances stand in his favor, because even a month is more than a reasonable time to expect somebody to get their belongings back if they wanted to, let alone half a year. He is in no way expected to take care of them for so long, so if she wants to settle this through court (which I personally find pretty funny in the first place), he can go and counter it the same way.
Yeah, in this specific case if the facts are as they seem then I doubt the judge will rule in his ex's favor.
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DarkKobold wrote:
Let us not forget the warning signs, such as them getting married (something like) two days after they started dating, her abandoning her family as a result, etc, etc. This was a ridiculous drama shit show from the start.
The how and why we all got here is largely unimportant. What is important, is the choices we make for ourselves today. This happened too long ago for me to care, and even when it was recent and relevant, we both determined it was the proper course of action for the time.
As I've said before, I have no regrets. I still have the place. She was the means to an end in me getting a place and moving away from my parents, and the massive first step I should have done when I was 18, like everybody else. I just didn't wanna give up living in the orchard at the time lol.
DarkKobold wrote:
I am tempted to lock this thread, as TASVideos isn't the place to air personal drama.
I don't see why you'd lock is as I haven't broken any rules, the topic hasn't gotten out of hand, nor have I bashed or insulted anybody. If it goes south, I'll personally request the topic be deleted. I was merely posting this as a fun log in case somebody else who lurks on here encounters similar problems as I have, and doesn't know where they can turn to.
Also thanks everybody for your comments and criticisms thus far. I'm having much fun reading the comments, both good and bad, and hey, it's a learning experience for everybody.
The how and why we all got here is largely unimportant. What is important, is the choices we make for ourselves today. This happened too long ago for me to care, and even when it was recent and relevant, we both determined it was the proper course of action for the time.
As I've said before, I have no regrets. I still have the place. She was the means to an end in me getting a place and moving away from my parents, and the massive first step I should have done when I was 18, like everybody else. I just didn't wanna give up living in the orchard at the time lol.
#1, This was like, what, 1 year ago?
#2, The way you got here is vastly important. You are using this thread to throw yourself a pity party. Forgetting how your life got to this point, and the poor decisions you made along the way allows you to play the victim mentality. Yes, it is important to move forward and positive, but trying to pretend current consequences are not a direct result of prior decisions is just immature and foolish.
After consulting with another admin, I'm locking this topic. As stated, TASVideos is not the place to air your personal drama.
Sage advice from a friend of Jim: So put your tinfoil hat back in the closet, open your eyes to the truth, and realize that the government is in fact causing austismal cancer with it's 9/11 fluoride vaccinations of your water supply.
