Posted: 3/12/2013 7:10 AM
Post subject: I Wanna Be The Boshy [Completed Run]
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xwidghet
Joined: 3/12/2013
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If you have not heard of this game I strongly advise you to heed my warning about loud sounds, which is annotated at the start of the video and before each time it occurs. Link to video This is an Any% run completed with the character sonic because it allowed me to complete the game as quick as possible utilizing lots of area skips and a few glitches. There are only 2 save points used in the run because it is required in order for the game to be possible to complete with sonic. This is because when you try to ride the cobrat in mario desert its movement is impared, and without it you are unable to jump on the ninji to complete the area. For this section I had to change character to boshy, complete it, then change back to sonic requiring two saves. The character change screens were done non-tas since hourglass does not currently support mouse input. For more notes on the run itself please read the description on the video as I do not wish to post a gigantic wall of text, though I will if asked. How to run boshy with hourglass 1. Set the bubble for Multithreading and Wait Sync to Allow. If you play the game on wrap or disable it suffers from some very poor performance issues. 2. Set FPS to 50 3. Disable your internet After disabling the internet the game takes exactly 9 seconds to fail to connect to the update server. Thankfully the game doesn't halt or crash when it fails to create the error window which lets you know that it failed to update. 4. Disable Frame Advance Skips 'Lag' Frames When this is enabled the game would get stuck after selecting a save game for a long period of time. 5. Do not load save states from previous "worlds". If you enter a boss room, another world, or a special area like the World of Warcraft area, then load a save state from a previous area the game will crash and you will lose some of your progress in your TAS. 6. Use Windows XP I tested it on Windows XP, Windows 7, and Windows 8. The only OS where boshy would successfully start was on Windows XP. There is one visual glitch created when running boshy with hourglass which is boss rooms flickering at all of the times that I created save states. I'm not sure if I'm missing an option somewhere that fixes this, but I couldn't figure out any set of options which fix the problem. I also noticed that if I make a large number of save states the game will freeze at those places for a brief moment when the run is played back.
Posted: 3/12/2013 10:02 AM
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Patashu
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This was a very entertaining watch. A tough game trounced by the power of TAS :D If you remake this or TAS a new category, I'd like to see more deliberate close shaves/crazy dodges especially when waiting for things to happen (like the Mario boss)
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:05 AM
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OmegaWatcher
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The only enjoyment I get from these games is seeing a TAS or a speedrun out of if. Seem pretty nice, I liked it.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 2:22 AM
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asteron
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Nice run! I was pretty entertained throughout. A big potential improvement is at 11:24 where if I remember right you are able to double jump off the right platform and shoot megaman while he is in his command module which would save like 20 seconds.
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Posted: 5/8/2013 9:23 AM
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xwidghet
Joined: 3/12/2013
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Patashu wrote:
This was a very entertaining watch. A tough game trounced by the power of TAS :D If you remake this or TAS a new category, I'd like to see more deliberate close shaves/crazy dodges especially when waiting for things to happen (like the Mario boss)
I made a new tas, however I didn't use many close shaves except where required (Metal gear solid is completed without waiting and is frame perfect to survive). Instead of doing close shaves at Do The Mario I opted to find a spot where you didn't have to move as it takes something that is usually done by spamming shoot and shows it is possible to survive without doing anything except jumping over mario. Link to video This time I completed it as Dark Boshy on Totally Average-Mode to see how fast the actual speed runners of boshy could complete the any% category if they had tas accuracy/speed. I streamed the entire TASing process on twitch which took slightly over 38 hours, however one of my broadcasts that was over 11 hours long twitch decided not to save :( Things used in this run that were not used in the sonic tas(s). 1. Every frame shots is now possible. If you press the jump key on the same on the frame after you let off of the shoot key boshy will shoot another shot. This works even if you do not have a jump left to use. Sadly, I discovered this during the tasing of world 9 so everything before it doesn't include it. I'd like to submit this TAS, but I assume it would probably be rejected due to this. 2. If you press S to skip to the boss fight with megaman on the first frame that you are in his room the game sound completely disappears. I had the game sound off while tasing most of the game so I didn't notice this until I had gotten much farther through the run. I tried splicing a no input frame in to fix it but it desynced the rest of the run :\ 3. RNG manipulation (waiting a specific number of frames) is used to get missingno to use recovery as his first attack. When combined with every frame shots I managed to kill him before his shield goes back up. 4. Saves are used to reset the position of objects so that I don't have to wait. 5. In world 11 "save hovering" is used to skip a majority of the world, including the tower, and is done by holding Z + X while spamming R. Twitch archives of the stream if anyone wants to see them. World 1 and some of world 2 http://www.twitch.tv/xwidghet/b/399248574 Finishing world 2 and some of world 4 http://www.twitch.tv/xwidghet/b/399571380 Shang Tsung to game completion http://www.twitch.tv/xwidghet/b/399816903
Posted: 5/8/2013 11:35 AM
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Patashu
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Very nice TAS! I loved the metal gear solid world 'die and yet save' trick in particular. Lots of deathtraps breezed through like they didn't exist. I think for publication purposes, at the very least the sound glitch in the megaman battle would have to be fixed (1 frame saving is not worth it) :) As for updating the TAS before that to include 1 frame shooting, though, that's up to you - the bosses are already so fast, so it wouldn't be a large entertainment change.
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Posted: 5/11/2013 7:08 AM
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xwidghet
Joined: 3/12/2013
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Patashu wrote:
Very nice TAS! I loved the metal gear solid world 'die and yet save' trick in particular. Lots of deathtraps breezed through like they didn't exist. I think for publication purposes, at the very least the sound glitch in the megaman battle would have to be fixed (1 frame saving is not worth it) :) As for updating the TAS before that to include 1 frame shooting, though, that's up to you - the bosses are already so fast, so it wouldn't be a large entertainment change.
I tried for a while to find a way to keep the fight from desyncing after inserting a frame of no input/Not S but I couldn't do it. I've decided to instead re-do all of the bosses up through gannon to include the every other frame shots as I want to try to get sub 30 minutes. I'm also re-doing some parts of worlds as there are some shortcuts/tas strats that may be more optimal.
Posted: 5/11/2013 5:26 PM
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DS TAS of 2012
you should avoid missing shots, they look extremely bad in TASing
Posted: 5/3/2020 6:34 PM
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shar
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In June 2019 I started another TAS of Boshy under the main RTA category (any%, Average-mode, no Wrong Warp, Dark Boshy only). In 2013, when xwidghet created his 30:37 TAS, large timesaves such as Double Shot technique and World 4 skip hadn't yet been found. A year later, MopeyJo released his 26:45 TAS, where he inluded these timesaves. However, looking at this run, there are many places where it could be optimized even more. Almost every boss can be done faster. For example, Stonk, a real time speedrunner, managed to beat Hello Kitty boss one cycle faster than MopeyJo's TAS. Besides that, there are many platforming timesaves. The major one is Kracko Skip, which I found in the progress of my TAS. That jump was known to be possible only with Sonic, the inputs to do it with Dark Boshy are extremely precise and unobvious. It saves about 50 seconds of a long miniboss fight as well as one platforming screen. As of right now, I finished World 6 at 10m 4s, which is almost two and a half minutes ahead of MopeyJo. I hope to finish my TAS in the future and submit it to TASVideos.
Posted: 5/3/2020 6:48 PM
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Very nice, looking forward to it!
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Posted: 7/13/2020 11:35 AM
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shar
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Update: entering World 10 at 17m 43s, which is more than four minutes ahead of MopeyJo. Looks like the final time will be low 22, maybe a 21. ~25s saved on two bosses: Skeleton King and Shang Tsung. These along with Hello Kitty and Ganon, are the bosses which can accept at most one damage per frame, thus double shot doesn't work on them, which makes them harder. World 7 consists of two parts, the first one being straightforward. The second half starts with two RNG-based screens and a long cycle-based screen after them. I saved much time here, but there is a possibility to save additional 2.4s by arriving at a better time for the cycle. It requires not reloading and passing all the bullets multiple times which is ridiculously lucky. I've spent 10000 rerecords over the span of 20 days here and the best attempt I've got is 10 frames away from getting the cycle. In World 8 there are three autoscrollers and I managed to skip the first one (also the shortest one), which saved ~10s. I tried hard to skip other two, but couldn't do anything, except a minor timesave at the last one. Found a few other timesaves, though. Timesave in World 9 comes from platform boosting, clean fire room, different Koopa bounce strat and faster block puzzle rooms along with general platforming optimizations.
Posted: 8/3/2020 6:41 PM
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shar
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The TAS is finished with a beautiful time of 22:24.44 (22:32.84 using RTA timing). I've already done some minor cosmetic changes and at the moment I'm encoding it. When the video is ready I will publish it on YouTube. However, submitting it to TASVideos will take some more time, at least because I have to create a verification movie: I need to get an onlineLicence.ini file with Dark Boshy, which obviously doesn't come with the game itself. Also some work needs to be done on stage-by-stage commentary as well as documenting tricks and glitches used. Hopefully the TAS can be accepted in the future.
Posted: 8/8/2020 4:00 PM
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shar
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There's been a little improvement (credits to BBF for that), now the time is 22:22.22. Tomorrow I will publish the movie and the video.
Posted: 8/9/2020 6:18 PM
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shar
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The TAS is out! Link to video I will try to submit it soon to TASVideos, still worried that it might now be possible to be verified.[/video]
Posted: 8/10/2020 7:47 PM
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Awesome stuff! Especially loved the playarounds.
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Posted: 8/16/2020 6:01 PM
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shar
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It's on! http://tasvideos.org/6843S.html Hopefully syncing it on other machines is possible.