I want you guys to check it out and give your opinion, please
This guys claims he did beat Ganon only using the first sword of the game with no upgrades. Can you guys analyse this video I've made? Did he really use savestates or not?
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And theres this other boss fight. And the same thing, he claims he didn't use savestates. The first segment was the "outtakes".
I just want to clarify everything
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Where do these videos come from?
I see you uploaded this other "guy"'s videos to your own YouTube channel, but there's no reference as to where you got these videos from.
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<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
In any event, how are we expected to tell if he used savestates or not? It's certainly possible to beat the game with only the first sword (as Baxter's post shows); I could readily believe that a skilled player could do it on console. That doesn't mean that your particular video is a clean, savestate-less run, but unless he does something that obviously requires TAS-like input precision it's hard to make a case that a given video was TASed.
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It is possible to tell if someone used savestates or not if they are sloppy. Here are some ideas:
1) Making really risky, unnatural dodges.
2) Reacting to things before they happen ed: or consistently faster than human reaction speed.
3) "Jittering", in the case of -loading a savestate made while moving then proceeding to not move, or move in a different direction -loading a savestate made while not moving then proceeding to move. If this happens a lot you can leave 'clutter' in the timeline that's meaningless, but left in because it didn't lead to you dying and because you didn't rewind far back enough.
It is possible to tell if someone used savestates or not if they are sloppy. Here are some ideas:
1) Making really risky, unnatural dodges.
2) Reacting to things before they happen.
3) "Jittering", in the case of -loading a savestate made while moving then proceeding to not move, or move in a different direction -loading a savestate made while not moving then proceeding to move. If this happens a lot you can leave 'clutter' in the timeline that's meaningless, but left in because it didn't lead to you dying and because you didn't rewind far back enough.
so with that we can say the videos I've posted here are definitely "savestated"
so with that we can say the videos I've posted here are definitely "savestated"
You might want to think twice before making absolute statements.
We do not have any authority to declare that any gameplay video which is ostensibly played in real-time was "cheated". Do not pretend that we have any authority to do so.
Remember that you are fully permitted to stop watching their videos if they bother you somehow.
yeah, pretty sure he used save stats. He doesn't even mash his sword, he only uses it right before ganon appears and that's the way he does it all the time. He is either the luckiest guy on earth or yeah, he used stats.
I don't know what Ganon's movement algorithm is, but in this video Ganon always fires his fireballs from the same positions in the same order.
Plus the stats are the same.
I'd throw my vote in for "you're watching him reload save states"
I don't know what Ganon's movement algorithm is, but in this video Ganon always fires his fireballs from the same positions in the same order.
Plus the stats are the same."
not having seen the original videos, the guy may not have been claiming to be recording off a console, but rather using a save state to get back to the start of the fight quicker on his emulator. Maybe that would result in the same RNG as well? Don't know how it goes in this game. Or can you save the game next to the boss room?
There seems to be a huge discrepancy between his "outtakes" and the winning attempt. There were no near-misses so to speak. This by itself is not indicative of cheating, it could be just someone thinking lots of attempts that failed early would be a better outtakes reel than a few that made it far in.
However I get the overall idea that it is somewhat reasonable to suspect these could be savestated. Remember the guy that used to stream playbacks of TAS'es and pretend like he was playing? There's plenty enough innocence and naivety out there to make those people prosper.
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The fact that he knew to hit gannon at the bottom of the screen the one time he spawned there makes this feel like a dead giveaway.
No way to be sure, but
I'd throw my vote in for "you're watching him reload save states"
Quite obviously, he is reloading a savestate to go to the beginning of the boss fight. I am not sure if this is even contested, but that much is obvious.
So we know he has access to savestates, the question is if they are used during the boss fight after that. There is no way to be sure, but seeing how badly he messes up the first few times on Quickman, and then suddenly plays like a god and doesn't get hit even once, I'd say it's likely.
