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Hi, guys! Here is the result of our cooperative attempt of improving emu2000’s old unsubmitted TAS of Sonic Boom. Sonic Boom is a brilliant Sonic the Hedgehog 2 hack, featuring a huge set of new moves, greater speeds and completely different tasks to solve. Whoever made this hack, is a genius. Also, it is an improvement of 1703 frames of DDRKhat run.
Actually, this TAS may slightly disappoint you. The stages are actually extremely long and complex, but they are pwned to the level when most time you are just watching the camera scrolling directly to the boss at maximum speed. If you would like to see a low glitch run of this hack, we advice you watching DDRkhat’s or Amarillo’s TAS.

Game objectives

  • Emulator used: Gens 11b + camera hack + solidity viewer + hitbox display + Sonic TAS tools
  • Aims for in-game time instead of real-time
  • Heavy glitch abuse
  • Slight luck manipulation

Results

LevelIn-game timeTASed by
Power Plant 10:32.17WST and got4n
Power Plant 20:46.59WST
Power Plant 31:07.31WST

Stage by stage comments by WST

Power Plant 1

got4n made a TAS of this level and sent it to me. In my attempts to improve it I’ve found out a faster way to cause the horizontal underflow. got4n spindashed to the right, entered the wall and zipped left. I performed X-subpixel management and spindashed to the left without entering the wall, thus causing horizontal underflow 4 frames faster. In fact, on 19th frame of the in-game time Sonic is already waiting in the boss room.
However, faster horizontal underflow did not actually result in any improvement. Since the boss fight is triggered on certain camera position, performing the spin dash a few frames later (in my case) results in the camera stucking for a moment, thus, both methods of the level-wrap result in giving the boss the first hit at exactly the same frame. Finally we decided to choose my method of level-wrap, because it is technically a lot harder to pull off (trying to make it without looking at our input or knowing what you are doing is wasting time, beleive me).
The boss fight was completely done by got4n.

Power Plant 2

This stage was pure pain at first, because we couldn’t figure out emu2000’s route. However, playing this level just for fun many times suddenly resulted in discovering his route, which allowed us to switch to TASing it seriously.
It’s worth to mention that this level cannot be level-wrapped. There is some X space reserved for Sonic’s running-in animation, which makes it impossible to cause horizontal underflow.
The orbinaut in the end of the stage is so freaking big that it’s even not funny. Don’t you agree?

Power Plant 3

At first I expected this level to be easy. I was planning to take a boost in the very beginning, outrun the screen and just run to the end at maximum speed. But soon I’ve realized that it’s not actually as easy as it sounds. First, while running too fast, I’ve noticed that soon I reach a point where the terrain is not loaded yet. Despite being quite experienced Sonic TASer, I have to say that I never saw a thing like that. This is not the same thing as the one listed here: when you come to the mentioned point and wait, you can notice that your massively high X coordinate becomes very low in a moment. This means that the terrain in this level is formed dynamically as you run forward, which kinda explains how the hell this level is so long horizontally.
As I understand it now, the idea about TASing this level is to run ahead of the screen, but not too fast. Also you have to avoid spin dashes when being on screen, as they affect the camera’s normal move. Rolling helps very much in this level, as it helps keeping the horizontal speed equaling camera’s speed, while accumulating the on-ground speed, which can be easilly released at proper moment.
To control the camera’s position easier, I wrote a simple Lua script:
local camera_x = 0
local prev_camera_x = 0

function refresh()
	camera_x = memory.readword(0xFFEE00)
	gui.text(10, 60, 'Camera advance: ' .. (camera_x - prev_camera_x))
	prev_camera_x = camera_x
end

emu.registerafter(refresh)
During TASing this act, got4n constantly urged me, but I simply couldn’t make it quickly because of many things that were completely new to me in this act. In addition to the problems mentioned above, the speed of the fire in this act seems to be relavant to Sonic’s speed, and if you run too fast for a long time (for example, by taking a boost from wall ejection), fire accelerates too, and can kill you when you are waiting for the next dynamic block to be loaded, making it impossible to progress.

Stage by stage comments by got4n

Power Plant 1

yay, I made a first TAS of the level 1-1. It was pretty good overall but WST did a much better technic, and finally it decided to be the same time. We kept WST technic, because it was pretty good, and TAS-only I made the boss but there is slight luck manipulation for getting the shortest boss recovery frames.

Power Plant 2

Okay, that one was the REAL pain. I asked many TASers if they could help us reproducing the emu2000 route, because it was the best one, but no one could, even MarzoJr :/ . But, recently, WST told me he did find his route randomly. It was pretty cool, sadly, we couldn't level-wrap.

Power Plant 3

First, I think that it was very easy, but that level is pretty hard to TAS.

Overall (Got4n)

waw, the game is fucking hard to TAS because mostly everything is perfect!

Other comments

Suggested screenshot: frame 333 or 328 or 3906

Thanks to

  • emu2000 for his first TAS

feos: The run is good, but the hack was poorly received. People feel it was incomplete and had nearly nothing to showcase in a TAS except Sonic being offscreen. Rejecting.


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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4136: WST & got4n's Genesis Sonic Boom in 03:03.99
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Lmao this hack got wrecked. I'm glad you could only horizontally underflow once because otherwise not enough of the game would get shown off. I think that doing a normal+camhack side by side encode would be the best way to show off this TAS (kind of like the sonic 2 submission) as both where the camera is and where sonic is are of interest esp. in the third stage.
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I like this hack. It's simple and to the point: make Sonic go as fast as you absolutely can at all times. It's short and sweet, doesn't overstay its welcome. Agreed on the h-underflow comment above. I give this a yes.
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Daniel, Lord Bahamut wrote:
It's simple and to the point: make Sonic go as fast as you absolutely can at all times.
It’s not as simple as you probably think. Just FYI, in the act 3 you can easilly run way faster, but, as explained in the submission text, it’s not really a good idea.
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Interesting that this hack was considered a very promising WIP hack just three years ago ( http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10118 ). Unfortunately, it hasn't changed since then. Personally, I think this hack is too short. It feels like one (perhaps large) zone of an unfinished game rather than a complete game. Furthermore, game-breaking glitches tend to take away from the presentation of a hack rather than add to it. I found the Sound Test to be more interesting than the game itself. I'm pretty sure there are better Sonic hacks out there, like Sonic Megamix and Sonic ERaZor. That being said, I'm not familiar with all the Sonic hacks so I can't tell if there are any ones out there that are even better. Edit: WST or got4n, could you upload a 60fps version of the TAS (not on Youtube)? The Youtube encode at 30fps messes up the bosses because of flickering.
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I found it entertaining, but I don't think it's publishable.
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Okay, here it is Thanks for the info about better Sonic hacks. I know about them and TASed a lot of thrm (as you can see on my youtube). This TAS was started by got4n who stucked into some problems and invited me to help him, which resulted in improving act 1 and doing act 2 and act 3.
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Terrible impression, No vote :)
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too bad there was no evolution on this hack, it was so promising... nice run, the warps are cool but doesn't realy show the hack potential.... Also, i noticed some familiar names in the credits too, kinda surprising...
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Considering this is only one zone, I think a fully optimized run, that stays withing the confines of the levels at all times (i.e. no terrain ejection, no zipping, no horizontal underflow,) would be the most publishable, so as to show off as much of the hack as possible. That having been said, I DID enjoy this, but I don't think there's enough gameplay here to warrant publication. Possibly paradoxical vote of Yes for entertainment but No for publication.
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This hack looks incomplete, it doesn't contain anything special, therefore I'm against publication.
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this hack is really short, sadly, but the run is very close to perfection. "yes" for me.
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The hack doesn't seem to impress much people. Which, regardless of how well the TAS is, leads to rejection if there won't be many people to like the hack in this thread.
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feos wrote:
The hack doesn't seem to impress much people.
Entertaining: 26 YES 9 NO 3 MEH ... Explain. Oh I voted Meh, it's a TAS never the less it was entertaining but since it's a short 3 level hack I voted Meh.
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Spikestuff wrote:
Explain
I like your style. 1 user posted irrelevant word. 1 user laughed at the fact the hack got wrecked. 1 user likes the hack. 5 users think the hack is incomplete/too short/has too little potential showcased. 1 user was entertained, but doesn't think it's publishable. 1 user got terrible impression. Sum: the movie was liked (59% is still quite borderline), the hack was not. Since the hack needs to be supported to be published, this one is going to be rejected. More questions? PS: I only can see 14 Yes votes over here. Where did you get TWELVE more?
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feos wrote:
PS: I only can see 14 Yes votes over here. Where did you get TWELVE more?
It... it glitched O.o Also thanks for the detail. Now I understand why you say it that way.
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2 minutes of Sonic being offscreen (doing literally nothing or being unseen) and 1 minute of bossfights, accompanied by not-stellar sounding arrangements of songs from other games. Good effort, but I don't feel the hack deserves publication.
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Just for those of you who want to see how complex the levels really are :) Link to video
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