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TheKDX7
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I look forward to seeing Huff N. Puff beaten violently! I hate this boss, it is the worst and most difficult to beat if you do not use the technique with the boost. Put in leave that is anybody going to contact Kagemitsu to ask him to submit its run as soon as it will be ended?
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They've probably already thought of this but I hope they don't need Lady Bow's technique in future segments...
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N. Harmonik wrote:
They've probably already thought of this but I hope they don't need Lady Bow's technique in future segments...
any% has been beaten many times over by real time runners, TAS will have even less problems.
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This glitchs is incredible in the first video it is necessary to move forward until 30 minutes. The first one fights with Troopa Jr. manage to have passed. And in the second video he manages to cross obstacle who are on the road. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1smltoX7jo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDKOt3WPSiU
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I just did log skip on console :p. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qkhm_GepwE We might have only scratched the surface with this tech, IDK? We only tried stuff until the start of chapter 1 and a little in chapter 6.
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Now I think that Kagemitsu can begin again its TAS since the beginning...
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Here's a TAS (on Dolphin) of what Jr. Troopa skip looks like when put into motion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5ZkJhyD3Fw I heard something about him not starting the TAS over. Though it'd be nice to have a finished TAS of this game, when you have major 'tas-only' sequence-breaks like this I think I wouldn't be able to resist restarting if I were doing it :p. Also I think that this sort of trick could be used as a minor optimization in rooms where you just go in, get an item, and then leave the way you came. An example might be, IDK, when getting the 2nd letter for Parakarry. You'd just walk in, store the loading zone, get the letter, and then immediately get warped back to the previous screen. EDIT: I think we will be able to skip all the berries in chapter 6. This doesn't actually skip anything in the chapter lol. But I think yellow berry would save time and bubble berry probably has a good chance to as well. The Blue and Red berries... you would have to skip the gates 4 times each to skip those, so I kinda doubt they will be faster. Though... bonecrusher tried it now and it didn't work, but it worked when hacked so now we're trying to figure out why... An interesting thing of the yellow berry skip is that it could also skip one of the 4 required uses of Parakarry. Could be interesting to skip him someday.
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Me again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8vJNXPZd9A This should save time in every category, however the 2nd part to skip the fights in the basement only saves time in a log skip route, which for right now is tas-only (but it might not always be). It should be a bit faster to get to the top floor by getting behind the door on the opposite side of the room from the door shown in that video.
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Very cool. Kage, I wanted to tell you about my idea of how to skip the Blue Key and the Duplighost fight in Crystal Palace in Chapter 7. If you tornado-jump into the back of the cave (this is unfortunately inside the loading zone), you can clip up through the roof of it. Then if you mash A, you can stay in there a while because of loading zone storage. I think maybe a TAS could get all the way through to other loading zone. Then, after getting the Red Key, to get back, you'd have to do the exact same thing in reverse.
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Wow, way to go, Kage!
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New skip found for "All Cards" category by almolicious. You touch the card and the card goes away, but if you open the pause menu and look at your stars you only have one still, BUT if you save and look at the save file you have two stars now! I don't know if there's an official ruling on whether this counts or not, but it requires seven frame perfect jumps in a row (it's a loading stone storage glitch like log skip) Saves a few minutes because you skip a Peach section. http://www.twitch.tv/almolicious/c/3661445
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Patashu wrote:
New skip found for "All Cards" category by almolicious. You touch the card and the card goes away, but if you open the pause menu and look at your stars you only have one still, BUT if you save and look at the save file you have two stars now! I don't know if there's an official ruling on whether this counts or not, but it requires seven frame perfect jumps in a row (it's a loading stone storage glitch like log skip) Saves a few minutes because you skip a Peach section. http://www.twitch.tv/almolicious/c/3661445
It is a beautiful find but she cannot apply to the first and seventh chapter given that there are doors to go out of the zone and given that it is not possible to do it. But this trick seems very promising.
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So apparently this skip works in other chapters too, pretty much anywhere you can go from a loading zone to a card with frame perfect jumps. An all cards TAS that allows this glitch would save a lot of time over the RTA route. (Though the first TAS should still be any% for sure)
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http://www.twitch.tv/fsjuicyj/c/3667501 Sexy. This was done by pushing Lakilester over from the other side of the screen, then he goes really far away from you trying to follow that path, and then you get on him when he's far away and now you have all the speed and can clip through things. It's apparently quite precise though so I'm not sure how consistent this could be made? But do you want ideas for other uses? I could think of a few dozen... This still needs to be confirmed possible in reverse. It's not possible to push Lakilester towards the screen (all other directions is fine). Besides that, I dunno how much the collision of the area is affecting whether or not this clip is possible.
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Well we just skipped chapters 6 and 7. Uh. Uh......
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You want to delve into that a little more, m8? It sounds flashy and important.
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When you beat a chapter the game checks your gamestate to see what peach scene to play. So if you beat ch 5 while in a ch 6 gamestate, it plays ch 6 peach scene. Beat it again. Chapter 7 peach scene. We found some Lakilester clips and now we can beat ch 5 without having to revert the chapter. We still need to get Lakilester, of course, but we can skip getting to him normally by using loading zone storage to go straight there.
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I would love to see that on video, sounds awesome!
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Can someone try loading zone storage on the part in Prologue where you need to go up the mountain and talk to the elders the first time? If it works, it should put you past the cutscenes and... you'd be right before you meet Twink and get the action command necklace. I want to try it, but I have no idea how to TAS... and you'd probably need to TAS those jumps, especially up the mountain.
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Early Lakilester Log Skip http://www.twitch.tv/gigadb/c/3771574
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Wow! Good bye, Paper Mario. When's that TAS coming?
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