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Kurabupengin wrote:
A new Dolphin was released some time ago...
Did anyone is still talking about this?
Dolphin updates more than once a day.
From the time of this post, this was the latest update.
Edit: Just realized this is Metroid Prime area.
So what we waiting for again? I forgot and I don't remember what page the discussion was.
WebNations/Sabih wrote:
+fsvgm777 never censoring anything.
Disables Comments and Ratings for the YouTube account.Something better for yourself and also others.
The problem is that the load times on the emulator don't match the load times on the console, which is a big problem because the doors don't act like they do in the actual game.
Won't be a snap. But I'll see what I can do if I have free time after my game's initial release.
I'm still doing this stuff. My free time actually went way down after release. It'll probably take me much longer to get around to it. So, it's probably best if you're thinking of just doing it, to just do it. Don't wait around for me.
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Great news everyone! Please read below:
<AngerFist> who was magumagu again? is he here?
<@neobrain> he uses the same nick on irc
<+JMC47> AngerFist, did you see his attempt at messing with the loadtimes on Metroid Prime?
<AngerFist> jmc, no??
<AngerFist> this is what i have been waiting for years!!
<AngerFist> link throw me a bone gimme something :)
<+JMC47> Lemme see if I still have the build, you can compare it to console
<AngerFist> thanks neo
<+JMC47> I can guarantee it's not perfect, but I'm not experienced with the game to know if it's right enough for your purposes
<AngerFist> i am not into tasing 3d games but i will most definitely pass it on to tasers who most certainly are interested tasing metroid prime
<+JMC47> ok
<+JMC47> That'd be perfect
<AngerFist> ever heard of taser itspersonnal?
<+JMC47> It was only meant to be a step in the right direction, so it's probably not right/perfect
<+JMC47> (it may not effect it enough at all, considering how broken loading could be?)
<AngerFist> he has done a lot of 3d tas demos of sunshine, metroid prime etc.
<+JMC47> AngerFist, do they use 64bit dolphin?
<AngerFist> good question, does it matter much?
<AngerFist> 32bit more stable for tasing?
<+JMC47> Well, I only have a windows build, that's all
<+JMC47> and if they don't have 64bit windows
<+JMC47> they can't check it out
<+JMC47> They'd have to build from the repository
<AngerFist> i see. i will forward your link anyway.
<+JMC47> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/484730/Dolphin_Delay.exe
<+JMC47> this is the exe I have
<+JMC47> and
<@MaJoR1> angerfirst: unfortunately the prime fix doesn't fix all of the issues
<@MaJoR1> it appears that most of the stuttering is not loading related
<AngerFist> major, but is there at least "some" loading time?
<@MaJoR1> but it is likely a combination of loading and something about graphics
<@MaJoR1> yea, it adds loading time to make it more like console
<@MaJoR1> but it still stutters
<irrawaddy> [dolphin-emu/dolphin] neobrain commented on #276 (PixelShaderGen: Color combiner compare mode fix and simplification): http://goo.gl/snpXr1
<AngerFist> nice!
<@MaJoR1> it helps the opening movie though
<@MaJoR1> it helps the opening movie though
<@MaJoR1> but yea, stuttering is still there :(
<AngerFist> well like jmc said, a good step towards the right direction.
<@MaJoR1> my guess is that it's graphics
<+JMC47> It won't matter that it stutters for tasers
<@MaJoR1> it behaves differently depending on the backend, and happens when new effects appear
<AngerFist> i hope you dont mind copying our convo for the tasers.
<+JMC47> they upload/record afterwards
<+JMC47> As long as magumagu gets some credit for doing the actual work
<AngerFist> for reference.
<+JMC47> He said a bit more on it
<@MaJoR1> JMC47 unfortunately it would affect TASers
<+JMC47> About how the loading could be improved further
<@MaJoR1> there is some sort of cache culling
<+JMC47> MaJoR1, does the stuttering show up in frame dumps?
<+JMC47> I don't think it does
<@MaJoR1> you can't build up a complete cache
<@MaJoR1> I don't know? I just play the game dude
<+JMC47> I don't think they'll care; they play frame by frame and dump video
<+JMC47> The stutters aren't the problem; it's the load times being wrong
<@MaJoR1> I have no idea how it will affect it
<@MaJoR1> k
<@MaJoR1> it helps the opening movie though
<@MaJoR1> but yea, stuttering is still there :(
<AngerFist> well like jmc said, a good step towards the right direction.
<@MaJoR1> my guess is that it's graphics
<+JMC47> It won't matter that it stutters for tasers
<@MaJoR1> it behaves differently depending on the backend, and happens when new effects appear
<AngerFist> i hope you dont mind copying our convo for the tasers.
<+JMC47> they upload/record afterwards
<+JMC47> As long as magumagu gets some credit for doing the actual work
<AngerFist> for reference.
<+JMC47> He said a bit more on it
<@MaJoR1> JMC47 unfortunately it would affect TASers
<+JMC47> About how the loading could be improved further
<@MaJoR1> there is some sort of cache culling
<+JMC47> MaJoR1, does the stuttering show up in frame dumps?
<+JMC47> I don't think it does
<@MaJoR1> you can't build up a complete cache
<@MaJoR1> I don't know? I just play the game dude
<+JMC47> I don't think they'll care; they play frame by frame and dump video
<+JMC47> The stutters aren't the problem; it's the load times being wrong
<@MaJoR1> I have no idea how it will affect it
<@MaJoR1> k
<@MaJoR1> well
<@MaJoR1> remember that the load times vary depending on the console it's played on
<AngerFist> major, you are absolutely correct.
<+JMC47> yeah
<+JMC47> That's part of what makes this stupid.
<@MaJoR1> and the emulator cares mostly about the accuracy to consoles
<+JMC47> MaJoR1, I had one controller hooked up to Dolphin and a Wii last night
<+JMC47> the load times fuck that plan up so bad
<AngerFist> it is utterly pointless to emulate 100% the loading times because of how differently a wii or gamecube behaves from another.
<+JMC47> even pausing is seconds slower
<+JMC47> on some games
<@MaJoR1> angerfist: actually even gamecubes vary
<@MaJoR1> the launch gamecube is a lot faster than the improved-laser gamecube that came out later
<AngerFist> yeah
<@MaJoR1> my purple cube was much faster than my silver one
<AngerFist> heh
<@MaJoR1> and my wii has the speeds back up again
<@MaJoR1> weird how that works
<AngerFist> but again, better to emulate a reasonable amount of loading time than nothing at all.
<AngerFist> much thanks to magumagu and you jmc.
<@MaJoR1> yea
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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Here is the latest patch: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-DW3o814HmudHpPNmdXWUhPUzA/edit
Start testing. I am going to begin now. Basically, all you need to help out with is see if the loading times seems more authentic. If yes, then anyone can start tasing Metroid Prime and the final wait is finally over.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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I have begun testing and using my new computer which has Haswell I7 and GTX 780 makes a lot of things quite smooth :) Game runs at full speed for me. If you idle for a moment and use another random window and then return to the dolphin window, the sound is really bad. The sound it makes for lack of a better word is screechy. But when you return playing at that moment a few seconds more, the sound remains completely sane and 100% good. I am now at Parasite Queen and once I land on Tallon, I will be able to test a lot more loading times.
Edit: the door timings were identical for me up to the parasite queen. 2 vital things remain to be tested, the tas trick (which someone else can do since I am unaware how to perform it) and the door before Flaaghra.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Angerfist: I couldn't find the dolphin executable on that site. It only seemed to contain some kind of download manager. Why not just link directly to dolphin itself?
Edit: Angerfist sent me the file. It can now be found here. This custom build includes the recent timing fixes that were not, at the time of writing, merged into the official Dolphin. That first link contains the whole dolphin directory. But since only the code has changed, it should be enough to update the executable.
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For the last time (I am pissed off because a bunch of people complained about loading times and now don't help when there is a big potential solution), can someone test the speedrunning trick so we can determine if the loading times work correctly or not!!
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
I assume IBBF was the trick in question, so I tried it (on a completed file, but it shouldn't have affected anything) on this revision and it works. Loading times seem pretty close to what I remember on console, so I hope someone starts working on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqwZrB__D0
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cafde_ wrote:
I assume IBBF was the trick in question, so I tried it (on a completed file, but it shouldn't have affected anything) on this revision and it works. Loading times seem pretty close to what I remember on console, so I hope someone starts working on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqwZrB__D0
That's awesome man! So let me get this straight so that I am absolutely sure, the youtube clip you provided was done on latest dolphin/the .exe we provided? If yes, I will immediately tell magumagu (the dude behind this loading time branch).
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
I assume IBBF was the trick in question, so I tried it (on a completed file, but it shouldn't have affected anything) on this revision and it works. Loading times seem pretty close to what I remember on console, so I hope someone starts working on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqwZrB__D0
That's awesome man! So let me get this straight so that I am absolutely sure, the youtube clip you provided was done on latest dolphin/the .exe we provided? If yes, I will immediately tell magumagu (the dude behind this loading time branch).
Got GREAT NEWS! :dancer:
from a very helpful user named cafde, he wrote on tasvideos.org this: "so I tried it (on a completed file, but it shouldn't have affected anything) on this revision and it works. Loading times seem pretty close to what I remember on console" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqwZrB__D0
So now you got the intro verified by me and jmc47 and now this big news, the speedtrick! I consider my issue (https://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/issues/detail?id=5431&q=metroid%20prime%20loading) to be closed but that's up to you and coders to decide of course :) THANK YOU very very much magumagu. A tas of Metroid Prime is within its reach!
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we can strongly assume a tas of Metroid Prime is ready for anyone to start working on :D !!! I am one step closer to my dream ^_^
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we can strongly assume a tas of Metroid Prime is ready for anyone to start working on :D !!! I am one step closer to my dream ^_^
Am I correct to assume that this DVD emulation fix is specifically for Metroid Prime, and not as an improvement to the overall Dolphin development? A lot of these minor fixes seem like they are on a game to game basis.
This branch affects every game, I tested most of my gamecube library between Dolphin and a white Wii (and sometimes my Launch Day GameCube too), and they averaged out to be about the same. Considering some Wiis/GCs have different disc drives, Dolphin may be a bit slower than the fastest of the console variants.
As demonstrated before in Wind Waker, different Wiis/GCs will produce different loadtimes, this branch, when it is merged, should put Dolphin right around where the white Wii is on most load times.
Edit: I feel I should mention that Dolphin has been removing most single game hacks and been moving heavily in an accuracy based direction. Instead of fixing games, they've been focusing on finding things the emulator does wrong (whether it be through hardware tests, crash logs, etc.) and fixing it based on heavy testing. The AX-HLE merger, tev_fixes_new, and pretty much any other modern big change won't get merged if it's a game specific hack.
Good info to know. I read before that Prime seems to have some odd things occur when changing disc speeds in Dolphin, like cutscenes. As a side note, When running USB Loaders or SD cards with Wii games seemed to have a similar effect on the actual Wii with games like Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 cutscenes so they don't play at full speed. Is there a reason for that? How was the issue solved in Dolphin to simultaneously reduce read time but not interfere with loading?
I merely do a lot of testing, I'm not really a programmer and I can't pretend to understand the GameCube/Wii as most of the people who work on Dolphin, but I'll do my best.
From what I can tell, there's no exact correct answer on what load times should be. Instead of doing that, I believe magumagu just emulates a disc drive and all the main components of it, and used a Wii for comparisons. I'm sure he got actual numbers and stuff from having great knowledge of the console, but, I can't be certain of that. What was tripping Dolphin up before was seek times, the disc drive's cache, etc; it made it so no matter how slow we made the disc loading speeds, it was faster due to not having other components of loading!
As for the SMG/SMG2 cutscenes via SD card, it's probably just not loading fast enough and slowing down. Dolphin doesn't have that problem (I'd assume, I haven't tested every game. We did have problems with Gauntlet: Dark Legacy in an earlier revision of this branch) because it's designed to read as fast as a white Wii as of this merge.
I hope this answers your questions, if you absolutely want more correct or detailed answers, feel free to join the #dolphin-emu IRC on freenode sometime.
I'd like to start doing some TASes of this. (been running it for years, so i know how movement works)
Because you have to know the game and it's physics to make a proper run and i don't think theres many people who actually do that. (i only know itspersonnal, ptorflaxendrosis, miles, t3 and me who could probably do a proper tas of this)
though, first i need to be able to properly work with dtm's and get everything to work, so testing would make sence.
So; what dolphin version shall i use?
What patch shall i download?
My PC specs should be good enough to run dolphin at it's max speed (nvidia geforce 580 gtx, 12gb ram, 3.3x6 ghz cpu....)
Thanks for your help, hopefully this is gonna work better than my last attempt i tried TASing this.
Heres some of my old work (pretty shitty, part of that was cause i was not very good at the game and part of it was cause my dolphin didnt work well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y277VsdOdjAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2wiUlYMmDI
