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Good news, we confirmed that DelayEnding was possible. I already created three Lua files for assistance :) Then , I and Mr.Pirohiko began to make new TAS of Rockman1 !
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Well count me in being very excited :) What's the estimate final completion time? Is this a brand new branch? Or will it obsolete the current tas?
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If it's a credits call glitch or level warp glitch, I assume it would be a new category - as busted as the old TAS is, it still 'basically' goes through each level in order.
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Waiting to verify anything, as previous MM1 runs can't be verified and I want SOMETHING
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For starters, it seems DelayEnding needs some really careful planning before getting it to work anywhere, also the work you have to do beforehand is tedious but that makes it even more interesting..
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woohoo new rockman1 tas. this is the game that got me into TAS. cant wait :D
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The new TAS has been submitted already: http://tasvideos.org/4308S.html.
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Good news, I success DelayMagnetBeamAdapter(Object42) without ACE. :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntbgATKvhp8 Then , I have some idea of all stage clear TAS. ->I(Object42->get MagnetBeam->Object75->DelayStageClear) ->F(using MangetBeam TAS) ->B(ObjectF5->DelayStageClear) ->G(using MangetBeam TAS) ->C(using MangetBeam TAS) ->E(using MangetBeam TAS) ->W1(Object75->DelayStageClear) ->W2(Object5D->DelayStageClear) ->W3(using MangetBeam TAS) ->W4(using MangetBeam TAS) ->LastBoss Magnet beam can be used by ElecManStage. :) Although we would like to make a fastest TAS, ("game end glitch") I would like to also make an entertainment TAS!(any% or "glitched") http://tasvideos.org/2921S.html This course may update this TAS? Do you think about this course ? ;)
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It looks like I can't leave Rockman 1 and 2 alone at all.. it's possible to get magnet beam without invoking ACE (Arbitrary Code Execution) so this upcoming project shouldn't have any of it. I made a new concept movie for Elecman stage because now we can have magnet beam beforehand by obtaining it from Iceman stage by seducing game's code around. Now we can do funny things like this: New route, like FinalFighter mentioned in his post:
1. Iceman (DelayStageClear) 
2. Fireman (Normally)
3. Bombman (DelayStageClear)
4. Gutsman (Normally)
5. Cutman (Normally)
6. Elecman (Whole stage with magnet beam + boss battle with better weapon)
7. W1 (DelayStageClear)
8. W2 (DelayStageClear) 
9. W3 (Normally)
10. W4 (Normally)
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For the non assembly programmers out there: What's the explanation (discriminator) for this glitch not being ACE, despite looking identical to the ACE usage?
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Patashu wrote:
For the non assembly programmers out there: What's the explanation (discriminator) for this glitch not being ACE, despite looking identical to the ACE usage?
Because of a bug in the game, a bankswitch is (or is not) being performed so incorrect code is being executed. The code isn't arbitrary as it is ROM. So unintentional by the programmer(s), yes, but not arbitrary.
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Now this DOES look like a run to obsolete the existing one!
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Patashu wrote:
For the non assembly programmers out there: What's the explanation (discriminator) for this glitch not being ACE, despite looking identical to the ACE usage?
Lot's of people seem to not understand what ACE is. ACE is when you have total control. If you can execute arbitrary code, then you can do anything, including jumping to the ending. But the reverse doesn't hold: Just because you can jump to the ending doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want. "Game end glitch" is to "ACE" as "finding a huge shortcut" is to "gaining ultimate power over the whole universe".
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Can it be just said as, without ACE it's impossible to jump to ending in this game? Like, it's only possible to skip to level end. Right?
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ACE - as an example, you can use sprite positions, whatever is loaded on the screen and score value and a glitch that messes with something that depends on these values to trick the game to load instructions in the ram This TAS - incorrect bank switching caused by too many objects and data value.
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Hi! :) So we are doing this in RTAs now: http://www.twitch.tv/jokaah/c/4408811 Currently trying to find a good setup that makes it a little more consistent. Anyone here happen to have any ideas? Our best guess is that it has something to do with the music, if you get the DelayStageClear or something else "random" :)
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Jokaah wrote:
Hi! :) So we are doing this in RTAs now: http://www.twitch.tv/jokaah/c/4408811 Currently trying to find a good setup that makes it a little more consistent. Anyone here happen to have any ideas? Our best guess is that it has something to do with the music, if you get the DelayStageClear or something else "random" :)
I found this glitch the other day. Because ObjectFF is carried out double, it has a thing similar to DelayObjectFF. A random object seems to occur to refer to $23 that are a frame counter in Iceman stage. In addition, I succeed in shortening TAS by producing an arbitrary object to refer to $17 that are the second pad in Gutsman stage.
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Mechanism of DoubleObjectFFGlitch http://www.yuko2ch.net/rockman/doubleobjectffglitch.txt about DoubleObjectFFGlitch(in Japanese) http://ch.nicovideo.jp/TASVideos/blomaga/ar535617 in IceManStage ObjectNumber=$23(counter) inGutsManStage ObjectNumber=$17(2nd controller) If ObjectNumber=4Aor75orF5 , StageClear is happend.
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What? What? What??? Link to video
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Patashu wrote:
What? What? What??? http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23825129
I taught him various methods.
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Patashu wrote:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23825129
Can I request a youtube or anything other encode?
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MESHUGGAH wrote:
Patashu wrote:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23825129
Can I request a youtube or anything other encode?
Link to video
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solarplex wrote:
MESHUGGAH wrote:
Patashu wrote:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23825129
Can I request a youtube or anything other encode?
Link to video
What... Rockman saves the world by colliding on a magnet beam.
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Thank you for the upload solarplex. The WTF factor is too damn high. Side note: we need more japanese TASers.
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