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Join me and WR holder for every console speedrun in existence Emp_Put_Waifu_In_Mugen on an epic journey to casually saunter through various games, sometimes with tool assistance, sometimes without!
The point of this is most certainly NOT good-natured ribbing and is absolutely to make the author of the topic run feel bad for his/her sin. Speedgaming is incredibly serious business, and the two of us have to serve as steadfast enforcers of justice and what is right in this corrupt speedrunning world.
As this is something that certainly has never been done before, I have prepared a list of questions that I believe might arise:
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Q1. What is the point of even doing this? Yeah, it's a bad run, but there's no point in just picking on someone for something that's years old!
A1. It's not about picking on people. Speedgaming has strict laws, and we will lay down the hand of justice upon thee with great force should you break them. Time will not save you. If someone should happen to be entertained by the result, that's obviously just a positive side-effect of the justice-serving.
Q2. I am outraged by your behavior and would like to know where I can complain to have this removed posthaste! I can't believe an upstanding member of the TASVideos community would take part in such barbarianism!
A2. We take your questions and concerns very seriously, and would be glad to respond to any such comments you would like to be voiced to us. Please feel free to use the following link to contact us with any such comments:
http://tasvideos.org/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=5099
Q3. Uh, guys, he didn't use the Mana Prism to bat more because he got it after he didnt need to bat anymore, duh. Also, he didn't bother with double hitting Chaos because he had no overhead attack and he couldn't do OoB with Manticore because that glitch hadn't even been found yet. Also, 100 yen is not a lot of money
A3. you FUCKIN NERD
Q4. When will the next episode be out? What run/TAS will it be about?
A4. We don't know when/if there will be a next episode, and that is always going to be a true statement. We do at the time of this writing have desire to make at least a couple more of these at some point in the future, but there is not and never will be a set schedule or any sort of real organization.
Q5. Your A/V quality is shit.
A5. The quality of the child your mother gave birth to on your birthday is shit. Ooh, sick burn
Q6. Why is it called Gruefood Theatre when you clearly planned to have episodes based on runs not in Gruefood from the beginning anyways?
A6. Why don't you just shut your mouth ya little BITCH
Q7. Can I be on your show Moose-senpai?
A7. Why would you want to be? Well, it would be nice if we could start getting relevant guests for some episodes at some point, but the keyword there is relevant. Sorry kid.
i approve of this content and im not just saying that i mean its really really great that people are taking their time to do something like this i mean im almost in tears im so happy that the community is so wonderful that they can do something like this. Jk u suk Arukado 4 lyfe
i approve of this content and im not just saying that i mean its really really great that people are taking their time to do something like this i mean im almost in tears im so happy that the community is so wonderful that they can do something like this. Jk u suk Arukado 4 lyfe
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Y'know, I always thought Retsupurae would be a thousand times funnier if they just blandly pointed out all the faults in the videos, never made any jokes, and kept saying "I don't know this game" and "I've never seen this room" every 3 minutes. Thanks for confirming that thought.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
Y'know, I always thought Retsupurae would be a thousand times funnier if they just blandly pointed out all the faults in the videos, never made any jokes, and kept saying "I don't know this game" and "I've never seen this room" every 3 minutes. Thanks for confirming that thought.
Did you even read the FAQ? Your entertainment is not the goal here.
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Shit, I did come off harsh earlier. My bad.
I do like the idea, but I still feel like the commentary was a bit lacking. Maybe it's just because I've played a hell of a lot of Aria of Sorrow and I saw a lot of mistakes that weren't mentioned. Who the hell knows. Either way, a co-commentator with a lot of knowledge on the game would probably help out quite a bit if your goal is really to point out as many flaws as possible.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
Shit, I did come off harsh earlier. My bad.
I do like the idea, but I still feel like the commentary was a bit lacking. Maybe it's just because I've played a hell of a lot of Aria of Sorrow and I saw a lot of mistakes that weren't mentioned. Who the hell knows. Either way, a co-commentator with a lot of knowledge on the game would probably help out quite a bit if your goal is really to point out as many flaws as possible.
That was something I was considering, definitely. This first part was just something that happened on a whim, I plan to actually do research about the game in advance in the future. Feels kind of silly taking something like this so seriously when it isn't really a remotely serious thing, but whatever makes the video better is fine with me.
Any later parts would probably have some degree of scripting too. Guests would be nice, but I have the feeling that that would be harder to make happen than it really should be for some reason.
How many times do I have to write it? The goal is to deliver justice directly unto the hands of the sinners of the speedrunning world. This was made clear several times in the first post.
How many times do I have to write it? The goal is to deliver justice directly unto the hands of the sinners of the speedrunning world. This was made clear several times in the first post.
I don't understand. If it's not done for entertainment, it's callous. So what's the reason to do it?
How many times do I have to write it? The goal is to deliver justice directly unto the hands of the sinners of the speedrunning world. This was made clear several times in the first post.
I don't understand. If it's not done for entertainment, it's callous. So what's the reason to do it?
What's callous is to allow the fools and sinners of the great speedgaming society to run around unchecked, blissfully unaware of their impertinence and foolishness. It is our duty to bring them in line through whatever means necessary, and I am simply the only one man enough to use the force needed to do so.
What's callous is to allow the fools and sinners of the great speedgaming society to run around unchecked, blissfully unaware of their impertinence and foolishness. It is our duty to bring them in line through whatever means necessary, and I am simply the only one man enough to use the force needed to do so.
This is a hobby. People do it because they like it, and they find it entertaining and rewarding. For many it's a labor of love. It's doing it for the art, rather than for profit. People pour their time and work on these runs. People pour their souls on these runs. People share their work because they themselves enjoy it, and would like others to enjoy it as well.
While criticism is to be expected, mockery is undeserved.
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Was it even really mean or elitist, though? Elitist would have been "Wow, you fucking suck compared to me!" Mean would have been "Haha, this is the worst TAS ever and the author should kill himself!" And it wasn't even too mocking, either, aside from a couple mild "Wow, this is really bad" moments.
There have been far more mocking things said in discussion threads. There have been far more mean things said on the forums. And there are FAR more elitist people lurking around and feeling superior. Honestly I was expecting worse in the video judging from what was said in the OP, but it was actually pretty tame.
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People pour their time and work on these runs. People pour their souls on these runs. People share their work because they themselves enjoy it, and would like others to enjoy it as well.
Do they, really? This run was done at full speed and skipped a lot of really obvious things even at the time it was made. The backdash speedtech was already discovered and used in a run, plus even in RTA backdash-cancelling would've saved time, the only drops he manipulated were the ones required to get the best ending, it's SEGMENTED for God's sake, he grabbed items he didn't need, he took bafflingly long paths and failed to use known glitches at the time (even failing to use a glitch HE knew about and MENTIONED in the submission text). I can get someone doing an unoptimized RTA-style run of a game just for fun, but the moment it's put onto the internet for everyone to see it basically becomes fair game. Plus, this was submitted to the site for comments and criticism. It's absolutely fair game.
You can't just assume that everyone puts effort into their runs and that makes them immune to criticism or what you apparently construe as "mockery". Did that guy who submitted six shitty Mortal Kombat runs put any effort into them? Probably not. Did that guy who submitted the 1000000 point SMW run put any effort into it? No. Effort goes far beyond just opening up an emulator and playing a game. If the video were heavily criticizing, say, a high-quality published run, then you could definitely make the argument that the author put their heart and soul into the run. But this wasn't published, it's low quality, I'm pretty sure it was even slower than the RTA record at the time, it's clear the author didn't study the game or even know it that well, and yet it was still submitted.
People don't share their work because they want other people to enjoy it. Some may, but you're giving people too much credit. Some people share their work because they think it's perfect and are narcissistic enough to expect everyone else to think the same way. Some people share their work because they want attention and fame.
Warp wrote:
This is a hobby. People do it because they like it, and they find it entertaining and rewarding. For many it's a labor of love. It's doing it for the art, rather than for profit.
And this thread and video don't fall under that category? What separates this from a TAS aside from the content provided? I assume they're going to be making these videos because they like it and find it entertaining. It can be considered rewarding if people weren't spineless and could learn to take a bit of harsh criticism. Since it appeals to a niche, there's no profit to be gained, and it's clear that there's going to be some more effort put into the videos... hell, probably more effort than was put into the runs being featured. So why is this not okay?
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
What's callous is to allow the fools and sinners of the great speedgaming society to run around unchecked, blissfully unaware of their impertinence and foolishness. It is our duty to bring them in line through whatever means necessary, and I am simply the only one man enough to use the force needed to do so.
How isn't this elitist? He's basically saying "I am better so I can tell "sinners" (wtf is this word btw? TAS isn't a religion) what to do. I am as well the only one that can do so‚ because I am justice".
I problably made mistakes, sorry for my bad English, I'm French :v
What's callous is to allow the fools and sinners of the great speedgaming society to run around unchecked, blissfully unaware of their impertinence and foolishness. It is our duty to bring them in line through whatever means necessary, and I am simply the only one man enough to use the force needed to do so.
How isn't this elitist? He's basically saying "I am better so I can tell "sinners" (wtf is this word btw? TAS isn't a religion) what to do. I am as well the only one that can do so‚ because I am justice".
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Guga wrote:
Eszik wrote:
How isn't this elitist? He's basically saying "I am better so I can tell "sinners" (wtf is this word btw? TAS isn't a religion) what to do. I am as well the only one that can do so‚ because I am justice".
That has a name, it's called humour.
More specifically, it's over-exaggeration for the purpose of comedy. It's not actually a two-person crusade to bring down the sword of justice and punish the non-believers. It's just playing something up to be funny.
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Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
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I love the concept of this. Looking at people doing mistakes, I would rather like some entertainment added to it. yeah i get it FAQs blah blah. but I don't wanna watch one video from 2005 the entire way through it. I would enjoy laughing at these types of videos if there were say 5 of them in the sum of an hour video.
Or even cooler were be deep analysis showing a comparison of a optimized part next to it!
Also it's probably best to start from 2006, as you guys commented in the video, most "TASes" from 2005 and before were made using only savestates and not frame advance (correct?).
Keep it up though!
So you were expecting a masterpiece and still ended up getting something great?
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