Post subject: Will Camtasia recordings be allowed?
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Okay. I wanna challenge myself by recording the games I do on a most basic of emulators....It's called Console Classix (www.consoleclassix.com). It's just a basic emulator with all the ROMs included. No special options like "rerecord" or anything like that. Not even a record button. So here's what I wanna do...I wanna record using Camtasia (It's a recording software) and submit them here...But will they be allowed?
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Only if they are good enough, so probably not.
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It would be impossible to ensure that no form of cheating (ie game genine codes, tampered ROM) were used or that you did not edit the movie at any point. So I'm afraid not.
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Sounds like regular speedrunning to me. Perhaps this is the wrong site for that. I think that movie submission only accept record files, not video files.
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No, for a number of reasons. 1) This site only accepts input files (stored keypresses), not video files. 2) The result (playing without tools) would not be impressive enough for this site. I'm afraid there are no sites which accept regular speedruns made in emulators. If you want to submit your regular speedruns somewhere, you'll have to track down original consoles and carts and record it on video. For example http://www.speeddemosarchive.com and http://www.twingalaxies.com accept such videos. Good luck.
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Well... SDA accepted movies made with camtasia I think. I recon the Fallout movies were made that way? Or did they have TV-output? Can't remember. But ask them at SDA (www.speeddemosarchive.com)
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They don't, because it's impossible to tell if someone is cheating. http://speeddemosarchive.com/rules.html
Emulators: We will NOT accept demos recorded on emulators ...
EDIT: Whoops. Just saw this:
For PC games, you'll need software that captures the playing as you go. Unforunately for older DOS-based games there's no reliable way to record them yet unless you can output to a VCR. Commonly used software for newer games include FRAPS and CamTasia.
So you can use Camtasia for PC games. But still not for emulators.
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Told ya! ;)
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Hey, nobody's perfect. Or at least there aren't that many of us.
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I'm wondering why nobody's made an FCEU version that has a 'secure' mode that does heavy CRC checking, disallows ANY ROM modification, encrypts the input movie to prevent tampering, and that stores data about the emulated NES in the movie (for example, PAL/NTSC, CPU speed), disallows frame advance/slowdown, and makes the movie completely incompatible with the FCEu that we use. That way, it would help ensure that the video output is legitimate and that it was not tampered with in any way, else the movie won't even play. Require it to output a dialog or 10 seconds of video stating the parameters of the movie, to make sure that everything is in order. Perhaps, if an emulator could be secured fairly well against using input movies with hacked ROMs, then places like SDA and TG might begin to allow only those specific emulators, as long as they could tell with near 100% certainty that the run is fully legitimate.
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That would NEVER work. People could still easily use the regular version of FCEU to make the movie and then just convert it into this heavily encrypted pseudosecure format.
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LocalH wrote:
I'm wondering why nobody's made an FCEU version that has a 'secure' mode that does heavy CRC checking, disallows ANY ROM modification, encrypts the input movie to prevent tampering, and that stores data about the emulated NES in the movie (for example, PAL/NTSC, CPU speed), disallows frame advance/slowdown, and makes the movie completely incompatible with the FCEu that we use. That way, it would help ensure that the video output is legitimate and that it was not tampered with in any way, else the movie won't even play. Require it to output a dialog or 10 seconds of video stating the parameters of the movie, to make sure that everything is in order. Perhaps, if an emulator could be secured fairly well against using input movies with hacked ROMs, then places like SDA and TG might begin to allow only those specific emulators, as long as they could tell with near 100% certainty that the run is fully legitimate.
After much study and comtemplation over the various problems, I came up with a format which would be impossible to tamper. No hex editing, no ROM hacking, no adding rerecord or slowdown to the emulator, no conversion from another format, etc... But regardless of how much I or someone else does in that area, what prevents them from running the emulator in an emulator and add save states and whatever to the parent emulator? The fact that DOS Box already exists and has patches out there for the needed features, or that some Linux kernels allow save stating, doesn't help us any.
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>After much study and comtemplation over the various problems, I came up with a format which would be impossible to tamper. Sounds impossible. Can you tell me how that would work?
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Not really, it's probably based on digital signatures.
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